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Poll: Have you ever been scammed in your translation career?
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Julian Holmes
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Scam is not fraud... Aug 11, 2012

Henry Hinds wrote:
Clarification: SCAM = FRAUD.


...well, according to the definition used on this site.
There is no mention of this in the Proz's scamming alert page:

http://www.proz.com/about/translator-scam-alerts

I suggest that all Prozians take a look at this page as well and get familiar with the kind of potential scams intended to swindle money or get free work out of us translators. Since we all have public profiles on Proz, we are open to view to all sorts of predators.

Since there is also no mention of crime or theft, either, it seems everyone including this site has different ideas about what a "scam" is. Given that, then, I can't see any other reason for your comment about Mario other than an unwarranted, condescending personal dig, which ain't Queensbury rules!


 
Chun Un
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Agree with Henry Aug 11, 2012

Henry Hinds wrote:

Mario Chavez wrote:

The first thing that came to mind was the traditional Nigerian scam. You know, emails purporting to offer a large sum of money in exchange for bank info. Or other emails promising money in exchange of forwarding the offending email to all your friends. I can't believe any sentient person would fall for those though.

Now, one thing is to be scammed, another thing is to be a victim of fraud (nonpayment of a billed job, for example). The risk of fraud is inherent in all business dealings; that's why due diligence is paramount.

So, I would suggest a better clarification of the term "scammed." Better yet, let's stay away from American English colloquialisms.


A scam IS fraud, they are the same thing, THEFT, a crime. Non-payment of a billed job is NOT necessarily fraud. For it to be such one would have to prove that the party owing had no intention of paying and was attempting to steal which is a crime, and in a non-payment situation that is not so easy to prove. The fact that a party fails to pay because of insolvency, poor management and a thousand other excuses is not a crime, it is merely a case for civil action to collect.

Clarification: SCAM = FRAUD.

And Mario, if you do not know those American English colloquialisms, I suggest you start learning; after all they are part of what we have to deal with in our profession. But you're right, some risk is inherent in all business dealings, but many times it cannot be classified as fraud.


I am not a native English speaker but upon consulting the OALD I've found the following definitions:

http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/scam
http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/fraud

As you rightly put it, a non-payment may not necessarily constitute a fraud (or scam). Thank you for clearing this up!


 
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I was "scammed" by "fraudulent" use of an agency's name Aug 13, 2012

I was preparing for a prolonged international trip (many things to take care of like getting bills paid while I was out of the country for several months etc.) when I received an e-mail solicitation from an Australian agency for a translation job to be done in the few days which I had left in my country before traveling. Since the trip would be expensive - an extra USD$ 500 wouldn't hurt - so I agreed to do the job even though I would be stressed out trying to get my trip preparations finalized.... See more
I was preparing for a prolonged international trip (many things to take care of like getting bills paid while I was out of the country for several months etc.) when I received an e-mail solicitation from an Australian agency for a translation job to be done in the few days which I had left in my country before traveling. Since the trip would be expensive - an extra USD$ 500 wouldn't hurt - so I agreed to do the job even though I would be stressed out trying to get my trip preparations finalized. Checked out the company on the Blue Board and there were glowing reports about this particular Project Manager named Amanda on the company's Blue Board register.

Did the job in time and sent my Invoice to the Project Manager's e-mail address.

No payment.

Sent the Invoice to the generic e-mail address found on the company's website - and received an e-mail back stating that they had never contracted me to do any jobs. After a few e-mail exchanges which escalated in tone - they mentioned that there was a person using their company name to scam translators and if I posted bad feedback on their Blue Board register - the Proz staff would delete it - as they knew about this scammer using the company's name. And I was threatened with legal sanctions also.

The company felt that they had dealt with the problem sufficiently as they had posted a warning on page 18 of a ProZ forum about scams that there was a person using their company name to contract translations and not pay for them. And this had been going on for about a year - when I got "scammed" using "fraudulent" methods.
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