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Kindernay

English translation: Slovak name with some variation(s) - Kindernaj

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Slovak term or phrase:Kindernay
English translation:Slovak name with some variation(s) - Kindernaj

18:50 Mar 31, 2005
Slovak to English translations [Non-PRO]
Genealogy / surname meaning
Slovak term or phrase: Kindernay
It's a surname, and I'm not sure if it's czech or slovak since it was acquired before the countries split up again. It might have been messed with.

I've heard that it's Kindernay as in No children, however, that's a German explaination of a name that's not german.

Is there a definition for this name?
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Slovak name with some variation(s) - Kindernaj
Explanation:
Not speculating about the meaning of this name, I'd point you to one historical development, which might lead you to discover links to other family names. Many Slovak names have been slightly altered in the past under Hungarian influence - for example names ending with "naj" in Slovak were altered to "nay". For example "Zelenaj" became "Zelenay". Others have changed when people migrated to US in early 1900s - another story altogether. Back to my suggestion - this could lead you to a link to Slovak name Kindernaj - see web reference:
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Lubosh Hanuska
Australia
Local time: 00:36
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This seems most likely as the answer, though it seems to be a combination of things. After looking up "naj", it made a lot of sense. Since the person who possesses this name came from the german border, it is my guess that kinder is german, while naj is Slovak. Meaning that the ancestors came from a town of Kinder, or had a relative with the last name of Kinder. After doing some outside research, I think this is the best answer of the lot.
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4 +1Slovak name with some variation(s) - Kindernaj
Lubosh Hanuska
4 +1somebody, who is "kinder" saying "nay", i.e. no...
Jan Szelepcsenyi, PhD
4Slovak name
Will Matter


  

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25 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Slovak name


Explanation:
This appears to be a name of Slovakian rather than Czech origin. As a matter of fact, at least one ProZ member has the same last name (Gabriel Kindernay) & he is a well-respected, highly talented Slovak interpreter. Take a look at the reference below. HTH.

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Note added at 2005-04-01 00:03:04 (GMT)
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This is absolutely true. If you Google on \"Slovak Last Names\" you will see numerous examples of people, both in Slovakia AND in the U.S. (Slovak descent) who have this name even today. In addition, if you Google on \"Kindernay\" alone you will see numerous references to various people who also have this last name and they, also, are clearly identifiable as being of Slovak or Czech descent.


    Reference: http://www.our-slovakia.com/Genealogy/Names/lastnames.htm
Will Matter
United States
Local time: 07:36
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Maria Chmelarova: That does not mean it is Slovak origin. I did not dispute, that is not in phone book. Yes, and more in East Slovakia.
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11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Slovak name with some variation(s) - Kindernaj


Explanation:
Not speculating about the meaning of this name, I'd point you to one historical development, which might lead you to discover links to other family names. Many Slovak names have been slightly altered in the past under Hungarian influence - for example names ending with "naj" in Slovak were altered to "nay". For example "Zelenaj" became "Zelenay". Others have changed when people migrated to US in early 1900s - another story altogether. Back to my suggestion - this could lead you to a link to Slovak name Kindernaj - see web reference:


    archiv.radio.cz/php/ parse.phtml?soubor=%2Fenglish%2Fcur-affrs%2F7-11-01.xml
Lubosh Hanuska
Australia
Local time: 00:36
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SlovakSlovak
Grading comment
This seems most likely as the answer, though it seems to be a combination of things. After looking up "naj", it made a lot of sense. Since the person who possesses this name came from the german border, it is my guess that kinder is german, while naj is Slovak. Meaning that the ancestors came from a town of Kinder, or had a relative with the last name of Kinder. After doing some outside research, I think this is the best answer of the lot.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Maria Chmelarova: That is true about -nay, - naj. So if they have -nay is more likely to be Madar ending and first part is German. An because many other minorities or "madarizacia" after 1863-64... , well you know the story, history.
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agree  Will Matter
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
somebody, who is "kinder" saying "nay", i.e. no...


Explanation:
En exact answer to your question does not exist. It is neither a Slovak, nor a Czech name and likely not a German name (Kinder - Children). It is probably a Middle English name (nay=no as antonym to yea= yes), where it means somebody, who is voting "no". Maybe somebody in a decision body (court?) voting "not", i.e. against the death penalty, what makes him "kinder". To find a definitive solution is hard, because "nay" is in manifold variation present in most of the modern languages (nein, not, net, ne- etc.). But it seems very unlikely to me to understand this name as a Slovak or Czech one. - A nice question, indeed!

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Note added at 14 hrs 6 mins (2005-04-01 08:56:51 GMT)
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I think that studying the origin of a word (or name) you may not disregard the original meaning of its components. In evey language the names were derived from a typical sign (profession, personal ability or disability etc.). Do not forget - the Middle Age was the first \"global\" age; the people - especially the intellectuals and handycrafts - were moving free over the continent. So you can not exclude the possibility, that Kindernay is an old English name. It does not exclude, that during centuries this name got in Slovakia a high frequency, even higher, then in UK...
Would you believe, that the name of the Slovak disident Mr. Budaj is of Turkish origin? In original Turkish it is written \"bugday\" and it means \"wheat\".


    Reference: http://www.bartleby.com/61/70/N0037000.html
Jan Szelepcsenyi, PhD
Slovakia
Local time: 16:36
Native speaker of: Slovak

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agree  Maria Chmelarova
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