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rodné priezvisko

English translation: née/né

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Slovak term or phrase:rodné priezvisko
English translation:née/né
Entered by: Radovan Pletka

12:35 Feb 1, 2007
Slovak to English translations [PRO]
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Slovak term or phrase: rodné priezvisko
existuje v angličtine oficiálny termín pre "rodné priezvisko" (muža)? pracujem na preklade staršieho rodného listu, kde sa uvádza, okrem iného, "rodné priezvisko otca". ďakujem za radu
Jana Novomeska
Malta
Local time: 02:18
née
Explanation:
This is what I use in translation into English, proofed by US lawyer.
It is on the net as well:
Hurst and his wife Ann (nee Reynolds), who in 1871 were living in Bunhill Row, St. Luke's in Finsbury
http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~cjh/woodhurst/charl2w.html

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Note added at 31 mins (2007-02-01 13:07:48 GMT)
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Also Therese van Beethoven née Obermayer 1787 - 1828
http://www.lvbeethoven.com/VotreLVB/English_Adrian_ThereseOb...
and many other hits on the net

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Note added at 4 days (2007-02-06 09:04:47 GMT) Post-grading
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Ohledne toho né, to je zajimavá otázka, protoze se to bude mizerne googlovat, anzto jsou to jenom 2 písmena, ale myslim, ze by to slo, protoze tem chytrym to dojde, ze je to muzska forma, a hloupi si budou myslet, ze jste udelala preklep, ale dojde jim to taky, takze by to melo byt OK
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Radovan Pletka
United States
Local time: 17:18
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3 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
5 +3née
Radovan Pletka
4 +2family name
Lucia [Lulu] Lay
5maiden name
Dana Hollcroft
4surname at birth
Dylan Edwards
4father's surname at birth>
Maria Chmelarova
3birth name
vic voskuil


Discussion entries: 2





  

Answers


13 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
birth name


Explanation:
with the variations "name at birth" and even the obscure "name at birth (of) father" (you see how one transsexual can screw up the whole system:)

the non-gender-specific birth name is now also used more than the ever more archaic maiden name.

vic voskuil
Netherlands
Local time: 02:18
Works in field
Native speaker of: Dutch
PRO pts in category: 4
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9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
family name


Explanation:
Myslím, že "family name" to vystihuje možno o niečo lepšie než "surname".

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Note added at 36 mins (2007-02-01 13:12:14 GMT)
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Tu je niečo o tom, prečo "née" v tomto prípade možno nebude najlepšie.

http://www.bartleby.com/64/C005/026.html


    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_name
Lucia [Lulu] Lay
United States
Local time: 18:18
Native speaker of: Slovak
Notes to answerer
Asker: o "family name" som premýšľala, ale zdá sa mi to dosť nepresné do oficiálneho dokumentu - ono to presne nevystihuje to "priezvisko pri narodení"...

Asker: overovala som si to u známej, ktorá ma svoj vlastný rodný list úradne preložený, a tá tam má jednoducho uvedené "née"


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Uncle
3 mins
  -> Ďakujem.
neutral  vic voskuil: sorry, but this is not related to birth at all: one divorce and a name change later, there is a problem
8 mins
agree  Peter Hladky
14 mins
  -> Ďakujem.
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
surname at birth


Explanation:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q= "surname at birth"&hl=en&l...

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q= "father's surname at birth...


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Note added at 1 hr (2007-02-01 14:17:46 GMT)
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Please pay attention to the relevant combinations of words which come up, for example, in my first link:
"Surname at birth (if different)" etc.

Please ignore sentences which are irrelevant in my second link (e.g. "take their father's surname at birth", which means that at birth they take their father's surname).

"Surname at birth", as a phrase in itself, is of course still valid.

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Note added at 1 hr (2007-02-01 14:23:42 GMT)
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or try looking for "husband's surname at birth".

Dylan Edwards
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:18
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
father's surname at birth>


Explanation:
Jana, bolo by vhodne spojit sa s niekym kto pracuje so starymi (starsimi )listinami...
Ak starsie rodne listy ziadaju (je ich na int. niekolko)
"Udaje o rodicoch v dobe narodenia dietata :
meno a priezvisko otca:
rodne priezvisko otca: ...zrejme je na to dovod.....

"father's surname at birth"-Patrilineal - www.eogen.com/Patrilineal-4k
(patrilinearny-nasledny v pribuzenstve iba po muzskej (otcovskej) linii ...

née or nee, originally French word meaning "born" is used to indicate the name at birth of a married woman who has since changed her name...
www.bartleby.com/64/C005/026.html-20K

Maria Chmelarova
Local time: 20:18
Native speaker of: Slovak
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Maria, to "starsi" netreba brat doslovne - jedna sa o rodny list osoby narodenej v r. 1984 - ide iba o "muzsky" ekvivalent (zrejme z dovodu zachovania konzistencie dokumentu) zenskeho "rodneho mena" - teda priezviska za slobodna. ja som len predpokladala, ze kedze je tento formular rodneho listu uz dlhe roky nemenny, snad sa s jeho prekladom uz niekto stretol...

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1 day 12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
maiden name


Explanation:
in the case of women - za svobodna

Dana Hollcroft
United States
Local time: 17:18
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Czech
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29 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +3
née


Explanation:
This is what I use in translation into English, proofed by US lawyer.
It is on the net as well:
Hurst and his wife Ann (nee Reynolds), who in 1871 were living in Bunhill Row, St. Luke's in Finsbury
http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~cjh/woodhurst/charl2w.html

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Note added at 31 mins (2007-02-01 13:07:48 GMT)
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Also Therese van Beethoven née Obermayer 1787 - 1828
http://www.lvbeethoven.com/VotreLVB/English_Adrian_ThereseOb...
and many other hits on the net

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Note added at 4 days (2007-02-06 09:04:47 GMT) Post-grading
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Ohledne toho né, to je zajimavá otázka, protoze se to bude mizerne googlovat, anzto jsou to jenom 2 písmena, ale myslim, ze by to slo, protoze tem chytrym to dojde, ze je to muzska forma, a hloupi si budou myslet, ze jste udelala preklep, ale dojde jim to taky, takze by to melo byt OK

Radovan Pletka
United States
Local time: 17:18
Works in field
Native speaker of: Czech
PRO pts in category: 3
Notes to answerer
Asker: a čo tak/and what about "né - masculine form of née, "born" " (zdroj/ref. wikipedia)?

Asker: Ďakujem za potvrdenie mojej teórie :o)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Veronika Hansova: také používám née
20 mins
agree  Martina Silpoch: This is what I have been using; recommended by a US lawyer as well.
21 mins
agree  Lubosh Hanuska
45 mins
neutral  vic voskuil: it would be "né" in that case, (with the question whether it is still understood properly) and can only be used in the middle of a name, not as a heading.
11 hrs
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