"Ko se s tricama meša, svinje ga pojedu."

English translation: "If you lie down with dogs, you'll rise with fleas."

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Serbian term or phrase:	"Ko se s tricama meša, svinje ga pojedu."
English translation:	"If you lie down with dogs, you'll rise with fleas."
Entered by:	Milena Taylor

19:16 Mar 20, 2013

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Serbian term or phrase: "Ko se s tricama meša, svinje ga pojedu."

kako bi se prevela ova izreka na engleski? Hvala unapred.

Larisa Zlatic, Ph.D. KudoZ activity Questions: 362 (9 open) (11 without valid answers) (4 closed without grading) Answers: 238 United States
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"If you lie down with dogs, you'll rise with fleas."

Explanation:
The meaning appears to be of the general-warning kind: 'If you do dangerous or silly things, you will have to suffer the consequences and don't be surprised if that happens to you.'
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Other similar suggestions:
-If you lie down with dogs, you end up with fleas
-If you lie down with dogs, you wind up with fleas

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If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas, or in Latin, qui cum canibus concumbunt cum pulicibus surgent. "He that lieth down with dogs shall rise up with fleas" has been attributed to Benjamin Franklin's Poor Richard's Almanack.[1][2]
The quote has a large almost universally agreed meaning of "You should be cautious of the company you keep. Associating with those of low reputation may not only lower your own but also lead you astray by the faulty assumptions, premises and data of the unscrupulous."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:If_you_lie_down_with_...

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"If you lie down with dogs, you'll rise with fleas."

Milena Taylor

4 +1

he that touches pitch shall be defiled

Natasa Stankovic

4 +1

"He who gets mixed up with garbage will be eaten by pigs"

Daryo

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Larisa Zlatic, Ph.D.

United States

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13:24 Mar 28, 2013

Ne znam cemu ovolika halabuka. Kad kazemo da se nesto prevede, nikad ne mislimo na bukvalni prevod, nego prevod koji je u duhu jezika na koji se prevodi i zvuci prirodno. Dakle, za svaki prevod treba dati 'ekvivalent' na drugom jeziku.

Mira Stepanovic

Serbia

Slažem se

13:14 Mar 28, 2013

s tim što treba voditi i računa o tome da li se ovde traži prevod naše poslovice (kao što je čini mi se ovde slučaj: "kako bi se prevela ova izreka na engleski?") ili se traži ekvivalent.

Natasa Stankovic

Serbia

RE: zamke doslovnog prevođenja

12:07 Mar 28, 2013

Ne znam ni reč mađarskog, a još manje značenje njihovih poslovica, pa ne znam da li je to „doslovni prevod iste poslovice na mađarskom“ - pogotovu ne samo preko nekakvog engleskog međuprevoda. Pored toga, i na citiranom sajtu piše da se radi o „word-by-word (WBW) and general (G) meanings“, a ne o engleskim ekvivalentima mađarskih poslovica.

Moguće je da i mi i Mađari imamo istu poslovicu (kao i mnogo drugih izraza i fraza), ali sigurno ne znači da bukvalni prevod ima isto značenje i u engleskom - treba „potražiti u drugom jeziku odgovarajuću poslovicu“, kako kaže Ž. Kovačević.

Za pravilno i potpuno razumevanje poslovice, čak i na maternjem jeziku, potrebno je znati okolnosti u kojima je nastala i još mnogo drugih faktora, nikako nije dovoljno samo bukvalno čitanje teksta. Sve u svemu, samo uslovno mogu da prihvatim da je „doslovni prevod ponekad ispravan“ - samo u izuzetnim slučajevima to može da se poklopi sa pravim ekvivalentom, a i tada to treba dokazati takvom izvornom poslovicom u ciljnom jeziku. Ne možemo izmišljati i uvoditi nove poslovice kako nama odgovara.

Daryo

United Kingdom

zamke doslovnog prevođenja

00:20 Mar 28, 2013

postoje upravo zato što je doslovni prevod ponekad ispravan a ponekad nije. Treba stalno biti na oprezu, ali ne i unapred proglašavati svaki doslovni prevod pogrešnim.
Pokazalo se da je ova poslovica na srpskom doslovni prevod iste poslovice na mađarskom. Ko je tu "pogrešno doslovno preveo"? Srbi ili Mađari?

Natasa Stankovic

Serbia

Poslovice nema smisla doslovno prevoditi

11:53 Mar 22, 2013

Poslovice, kojih ima veoma mnogo i u jednom i u drugom jeziku, nema svrhe prevoditi. Jedino ima smisla potražiti u drugom jeziku odgovarajuću poslovicu. To nije jednostavno, jer nema mogućnosti pretraživanja po bilo kojem zajedničkom formalnom kriteriju, već se moraju po smislu i ideji pregledati sve raspoložive poslovice na drugom jeziku, kako bi se našla ona koja najviše odgovara. Kako poslovice predstavljaju akumulirano iskustvo i mudrost naroda, mogu se najčešće u drugom jeziku naći one koje, po pravilu drugačije, izražavaju istu ideju, odgovor na neku životnu situaciju, opšteprihvaćenu istinu ili mudar savet.

Citat iz knjige Ž. Kovačevića „Lažni prijatelji u engleskom jeziku, zamke doslovnog prevođenja“ - http://www.scribd.com/doc/118139661/Zivorad-Kovacevic-Zamke-...

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"ko se s tricama meša, svinje ga pojedu."

"If you lie down with dogs, you'll rise with fleas."

Milena Taylor
Serbia
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Serbian,

Serbo-Croat
PRO pts in category: 8

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peer agreement (net): +1

"ko se s tricama meša, svinje ga pojedu." he that touches pitch shall be defiled

Explanation:

Ž. Kovačević - Frazeološki rečnik:
Ko se s tricama pomeša, valja da ga svinje izjedu # He that touches pitch shall be defiled. a proverb # You got your just deserts. He that touches pitch should be defiled.

he that touches pitch shall be defiled: If you get involved with wicked people or illegal activities, you cannot avoid becoming corrupted yourself.
http://www.cssforum.com.pk/css-compulsory-subjects/english-p...

Natasa Stankovic
Serbia
Local time: 15:58
Native speaker of:

Serbian
PRO pts in category: 8

4 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

"He who gets mixed up with garbage will be eaten by pigs"

Explanation:
also

"He who gets mixed up with bran will be eaten by pigs"

Pretty self-explanatory.

izreka iz Vojvodine?

"Aki korpa közé keveredik azt megeszik a disznók.
Who gets mixed up with bran will be eaten by pigs."
[http://www.hungarotips.com/hungarian/proverb2.html]

Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 14:58
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Serbian,

French
PRO pts in category: 24

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