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19:04 Oct 30, 2016 

Apparently "slaves" in Babylon has a "good" and not one that we think of by the same. See (Google): Slavery in Babylonia - ILIL ARBEL
ililarbel.weebly.com/...the-life-of.../slavery-in-...

Slavery in Babylonia was a part of the society, and it will be mentioned in this book again and again. It is a controversial subject, but I hope the readers wil

02:54 Oct 30, 2016 

Спокойной ночи и сладких снов! Считать овец перед сном?

02:05 Oct 30, 2016 

... пастись спокойно и не падать и не быть съедены рабами??
Наверно хватит.

01:54 Oct 30, 2016 

Beautiful, but two orthogonal voices. Thank you, Rachel! [Still, no sheep, unless we throw in the Bach adagio.:)]

01:32 Oct 30, 2016 

Zucchero! I went running into the other room to tell my husband somebody had shared a Zucchero recording with me. Only listened to him once before, feeling sorry (as also in this recording) about how the guy was blowing out his vocal cords. That was when someone sent me a link to Zucchero and Andrea Bocelli singing a duet. Maybe it was this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjgWVokvZBQ. At 02:13, and then a couple of times more, you hear Bocelli's perfectly placed, laser-like bel canto tenor coming in over poor Zucchero's rasping. But, you can also see the friendship between the two singers. Thank you, Frank!

00:49 Oct 30, 2016 

Please call me Frank, y'all. Just for you, Rachel, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzZRxaYAhNQ.

00:29 Oct 30, 2016 

Serves me right for being literal-minded, when you were thinking of access to the right mood. I'm here saying to myself, I've sung that a hundred times, but don't remember any dead sheep! Torre atterate; "O, mia patria, si bella e perduta"; arpa d'oro; fatidici vati; un suono del crudo lamento; al patire virtu... A lot of lofty ideas there, but no dead sheep.

00:10 Oct 30, 2016 

Please do not hold back, Jack. Keep It Simple Stupid is my stretch goal too.
Va Pensiero, the song of Hebrew slaves, Rachel, was meant to transport the translators in spirit to the rivers of Babylon, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYK9iCRb7S4) feel the deprivation of the slaves, and come up with an inspired answer or at least not be shy about joiniing the discussion, Jack. I hope you all enjoyed it. A sheep can die from a number of causes, including a bolt from the clear blue sky. Re dead vs. deceased, it is just my gut feeling. I cannot rise to the level of your magnificent oratory, Jack, so I shall leave it unopposed.

23:50 Oct 29, 2016 

They's daid, alright. But one wonders, given that the topic is the diet of slaves in ancient Babylon, if it might matter to distinguish between sheep that became dead through slaughter, and those that just dropped dead - and therefore there might be something not quite, ahem, kosher about them, and so they could be given to slaves to eat.

Still wondering, too, what Macro's reference to "Va, pensiero..." has to do with it.

23:46 Oct 29, 2016 

Continued with my loudmouth discussion. I've translated literally thousands of biological and related articles and the mouse or whatever was "sacrificed" by decapitation or some other pleasant terms. What not just say, "chopped its head off" or "overdose of test drug," and all that bovine excreta---oh, well....

23:40 Oct 29, 2016 

Macrojanus, this is Microcephalus Jack who doesn't know how to answer to your reply below. But today would be my deceased wife's, of 40 years, 86th birthday. She died of cancer. She's been dead since 1993. You notice the words deceased, died, dead--the end result is the same. Your " Deceased , being an "action word" (becoming dead), better gives the sense of падшие than dead, which is a static word (something is or is not dead)." What the hell is a static word for death, a (non-) zoombie? Deceased, man, means your dead, dead, not dying. When you're падшие, Hallelujah, you're wearing sheep horns with haloes (don't know what ewes do--wear miniwool shorts?) eating eternal class-A grass in an eternal pasture. You know, after 66 years translating, translators are their own worst enemies. Use the KISS principle, Kiss It Simple, Stupid. They're carcases of dead sheep. You don't know if they died naturally, from disease, sheep-mishandling by lonely herders, epizooty, were downers, fallen, went to the slaughter house, etc. -- the damn sheep are dead. Don't make a big deal of it! KISS! Does anyone really think we go to a Wake to see Deceased animals? The wonderful animals are just plain dead

19:38 Oct 29, 2016 

Agree with Macrojanus--dead. Translated RAS Agricultural for years, and it and it's forms were always used for "dead," as applied to animals, e.g., Вспоминаем падших The Walking Dead 1 season (SlideShow). Ли ...
Video for падшие, dead
Except the sheep aren't walking!

14:06 Oct 29, 2016 

Or might as well use fallen sheep, as you said it's used in the UK and it's the proper English :)

https://www.daera-ni.gov.uk/articles/fallen-stock-guidance

02:18 Oct 29, 2016 

Deceased sheep might work.

01:35 Oct 29, 2016 

There simply may not be an equivalent. You could probably just use dead sheep which would mean that they could have died of anything. Carrion is падаль and technically падший скот is падаль as in being dead either of a disease or natural causes but I'm not sure if you can classify dead domesticated animals as падаль, usually падаль is for wild or stray animals and падший is for domesticated ones, I think.

11:29 Oct 28, 2016 

Perhaps, the answer can be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6JN0l7A_mE
Nabucco - Hebrew Slaves Chorus
Giuseppe Verdi

11:24 Oct 28, 2016 

Canadian definitions:
“dead animal” means the carcass, or any part thereof, of a horse, goat, sheep, swine or head of cattle that has died from any cause other than slaughter; (“cadavre d’animal”)

fallen animal” means a horse, goat, sheep, swine or head of cattle that has been disabled by disease
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90d03

03:08 Oct 28, 2016 

Livestock that can't stand up because of illness and are therefore slaughtered are called "downer animals" in AE - "downer sheep," "downer ewes," "downer cow," etc. Whether it's appropriate to apply that terminology to descriptions of food eaten by slaves in ancient Babylon - I have doubts.