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Tipo objetivo/Tipo subjetivo

English translation: actus reus / mens rea

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Portuguese term or phrase:Tipo objetivo/Tipo subjetivo
English translation:actus reus / mens rea
Entered by: Carolina Cadeiras (X)

20:33 Dec 1, 2019
Portuguese to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general) / Direito Penal
Portuguese term or phrase: Tipo objetivo/Tipo subjetivo
No âmbito de tradução de um trabalho na área do Direito Penal (trata-se de uma carta rogatória) em PT-PT, gostaria de saber se existe equivalente específico para esta tradução. Consultei a definição em português (https://brunoflorentinosilva.jusbrasil.com.br/artigos/183249... e procurei em diversos dicionários de direito, sem sucesso.

As frases são as seguintes:
"O tipo objetivo de ilícito é preenchido por vários elementos"
"O tipo subjetivo de ilícito exige o dolo"
Carolina Cadeiras (X)
Portugal
Local time: 07:16
actus reus / mens rea
Explanation:
1. Os elementos objectivos do tipo incriminador (tipo objetivo de ilícito) são:
a) o agente, b) a conduta, c) o bem júridico
2. Os elementos subjectivos do tipo (tipo sujectivo de ilícito) são:
A atitude psicológico do agente, àquilo que ele pretendia no momento em que realizou a acção tipica.
Distilled from Dicionário Jurídico; Volume II, Direito Penal, Direito Processual Penal, Ana Prata, Catarina Viega, José Manuel Vilalongo 2nd Ed, Almedina.

The equivalent common law terms in EN are:

actus reus (also called the external or objective element of a crime): action or conduct which is a constituent element of a crime, as opposed to the mental state of the accused.

mens rea: the intention or knowledge of wrongdoing that constitutes part of a crime, as opposed to the action or conduct of the accused.

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Note added at 13 horas (2019-12-02 10:32:42 GMT)
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See Blacks's Law Dictionary, 6th Edition, pages 36 and 985
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Mark Robertson
Local time: 07:16
Grading comment
Muito obrigada, foi muito esclarecedor!
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Summary of answers provided
5 +1actus reus / mens rea
Mark Robertson
4Objective/subjective test
Adrian MM.
3Objective / Subjective (standpoint)
Duarte Leal
Summary of reference entries provided
Objective/subjective liability or standard
Mario Freitas

  

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Objective / Subjective (standpoint)


Explanation:
Sugestão

Num sistema de "case law" a organização dos (atos) ilícitos é feita segundo critérios de gravidade - tanto no que diz respeito ao tipo de (ato) ilícito ("offence" parece ser o termo mais abrangente neste contexto), como no que diz respeito ao planeamento e premeditação; quanto mais elaborado o ato, tanto mais grave será a apreciação do delito - pelo que a tradução aqui talvez tivesse de salientar um ponto de vista (o do legislador, neste caso, o magistrado); ie,
"from an objective standpoint, considering an offence involves factoring in several elements"
"from a subjective standpoint, considering an offence always factors in (criminal) intent / deliberate action"

(espero ter ajudado e não criado mais confusão)

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Note added at 1 hr (2019-12-01 22:10:18 GMT)
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Só agora vi quem és tu "colega" ;P
Espero que esteja tudo bem!

Duarte Leal
Portugal
Local time: 07:16
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Olá Duarte! Obrigada, ajudaste bastante. Está tudo ótimo, espero que contigo também :)

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Objective/subjective test


Explanation:
Compare the UK criminal cases of R. vs. Caldwell - the objective test: would ordinary, right-minded peope think the rampager had acted like a reckless idiot? and R. vs. Cunningham - the subjective test: had the thief of the gas meter that poured out deadly fumes realis/zed that he had been a reckless idiot?

Example sentence(s):
  • R v G and another [2003] UKHL 50, [2004] 1 AC 1034 Introduction. Recklessness in criminal law has resulted in conflicting opinions as to whether a subjective test should be applied or an objective test.

    Reference: http://webstroke.co.uk/law/cases/r-v-caldwell-1982
    Reference: http://www.e-lawresources.co.uk/R-v-Cunningham.php
Adrian MM.
Austria
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 111
Notes to answerer
Asker: Muito obrigada!

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13 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
actus reus / mens rea


Explanation:
1. Os elementos objectivos do tipo incriminador (tipo objetivo de ilícito) são:
a) o agente, b) a conduta, c) o bem júridico
2. Os elementos subjectivos do tipo (tipo sujectivo de ilícito) são:
A atitude psicológico do agente, àquilo que ele pretendia no momento em que realizou a acção tipica.
Distilled from Dicionário Jurídico; Volume II, Direito Penal, Direito Processual Penal, Ana Prata, Catarina Viega, José Manuel Vilalongo 2nd Ed, Almedina.

The equivalent common law terms in EN are:

actus reus (also called the external or objective element of a crime): action or conduct which is a constituent element of a crime, as opposed to the mental state of the accused.

mens rea: the intention or knowledge of wrongdoing that constitutes part of a crime, as opposed to the action or conduct of the accused.

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Note added at 13 horas (2019-12-02 10:32:42 GMT)
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See Blacks's Law Dictionary, 6th Edition, pages 36 and 985

Mark Robertson
Local time: 07:16
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 1218
Grading comment
Muito obrigada, foi muito esclarecedor!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Duarte Leal
8 hrs
  -> Obrigado Duarte
neutral  Adrian MM.: if not criminal intent, how then to translate el dolo > mens rea - (West: SPA/AmE law & business dictionary)
5 days
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Reference comments


1 hr
Reference: Objective/subjective liability or standard

Reference information:
Pensei em sugerir isto como resposta, mas não sei se é o mesmo caso:
https://www.ideablawg.ca/blog/2013/6/4/the-subjectiveobjecti...

Mario Freitas
Brazil
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 842
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