ISO/TS対象製品

English translation: ISO/TS compatible products

02:17 Oct 17, 2007
Japanese to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Manufacturing / 品質管理
Japanese term or phrase: ISO/TS対象製品
ISO/TSとは、自動車産業品質マネジメントシステムの国際規格ISO/TS16949のことです。
ISO/TS対象製品とは、顧客からISO/TSの認証を取得することを要求されている製品という意味です。
で、the products subject to ISO/TSとか、
the products targeted by ISO/TSなどと英訳してみたのですが
英語表現として正しいでしょうか?
他に適切な表現などあればよろしくお願いします。
Leochan
Local time: 18:56
English translation:ISO/TS compatible products
Explanation:
or products compatible with ISO/TS...

possible also "compliant with"...

some suggestions to start with, anyway...

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Note added at 8 hrs (2007-10-17 10:36:08 GMT)
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Hi Leochan-san,
Sorry - it has been a very busy day and I haven't had time to properly read through your added notes.
OK - you're right - 準拠 = compliant, so perhaps it's best to avoid this.

All compliant products are compatible products, BUT!...
NOT all compatible products are (necessarily) compliant products, until proven so (SO/TSの審査済みになるまで)... [紛らわしい?]




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Note added at 8 hrs (2007-10-17 10:43:53 GMT)
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I don't know what happened, but half my message got chopped off - retrying now... (涙)
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Hi Leochan-san,
Sorry - it has been a very busy day and I haven't had time to properly read through your added notes.
Yes, you're right - 準拠 = compliant, so perhaps it's best to avoid this term in this case.

All compliant products are compatible products, BUT!...
NOT all compatible products are (necessarily) compliant products, until proven so (SO/TSの審査を受けるまで)... [紛らわしい?]

In this case, however, it's probably better if you go with something like "products *ELIGIBLE FOR* ISO/TS certification" or "products *ELIGIBLE FOR* ISO/TS compliance."
This indicates that the products are candidates for ISO/TS certification (and therefore compatible, and, in all likelihood, compliant also ;-) )
Does that explain it better? In other words, every stage of the development process, through to the product's actual manufacture, would be designed to pass the required compliance standards.
They would be eligible for testing against the required standards....
HTH a little...
Selected response from:

KathyT
Australia
Local time: 20:56
Grading comment
Kathyさん、お忙しい中コメントを頂きありがとうございました。
対象製品は①認証済の製品(ISO certified products) ②認証が必要な製品 (products required to comply with ISO) の2つのケースを含み、そのすべてを含んだ表現というのは無理があるような気がしてきました。
products related to ISO/TS くらいの表現にしてごまかそうかと思っています。
いろいろアドバイスを頂きありがとうございました!またよろしくお願いします(^^)
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ISO/TS compatible products


Explanation:
or products compatible with ISO/TS...

possible also "compliant with"...

some suggestions to start with, anyway...

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 8 hrs (2007-10-17 10:36:08 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Hi Leochan-san,
Sorry - it has been a very busy day and I haven't had time to properly read through your added notes.
OK - you're right - 準拠 = compliant, so perhaps it's best to avoid this.

All compliant products are compatible products, BUT!...
NOT all compatible products are (necessarily) compliant products, until proven so (SO/TSの審査済みになるまで)... [紛らわしい?]




--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 8 hrs (2007-10-17 10:43:53 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

I don't know what happened, but half my message got chopped off - retrying now... (涙)
---------

Hi Leochan-san,
Sorry - it has been a very busy day and I haven't had time to properly read through your added notes.
Yes, you're right - 準拠 = compliant, so perhaps it's best to avoid this term in this case.

All compliant products are compatible products, BUT!...
NOT all compatible products are (necessarily) compliant products, until proven so (SO/TSの審査を受けるまで)... [紛らわしい?]

In this case, however, it's probably better if you go with something like "products *ELIGIBLE FOR* ISO/TS certification" or "products *ELIGIBLE FOR* ISO/TS compliance."
This indicates that the products are candidates for ISO/TS certification (and therefore compatible, and, in all likelihood, compliant also ;-) )
Does that explain it better? In other words, every stage of the development process, through to the product's actual manufacture, would be designed to pass the required compliance standards.
They would be eligible for testing against the required standards....
HTH a little...


KathyT
Australia
Local time: 20:56
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 28
Grading comment
Kathyさん、お忙しい中コメントを頂きありがとうございました。
対象製品は①認証済の製品(ISO certified products) ②認証が必要な製品 (products required to comply with ISO) の2つのケースを含み、そのすべてを含んだ表現というのは無理があるような気がしてきました。
products related to ISO/TS くらいの表現にしてごまかそうかと思っています。
いろいろアドバイスを頂きありがとうございました!またよろしくお願いします(^^)
Notes to answerer
Asker: Kathyさん、みなさん、お答え・コメントありがとうございます。 私の認識が間違っていたら指摘して頂きたいんですが、ISO/TS compliant (compatible) productsというと,ISO/TS準拠というイメージになるのですが、正しいですか? もう少し詳しく説明しますと、この場合、まだISO/TSの審査を受けていない製品も、対象製品の範疇に入ります。対象製品の中にISO取得済のものと未取得のものに分かれ、未取得のものはcompliantとはまだ言えないということになります。 ISO/TSの取得を要求してくる顧客に対しては、ISO/TS compliantの製品しか販売できないわけです。

Asker: もう少し付け加えますと、新製品を開発してそのターゲットとなる顧客がTSを要求していると、その製品はTS対象製品となります。開発を勧めると同時に、その製品を開発・設計・製造する事業所のTS取得に向けて活動も行うことになります。そういったすべての業務について規定しているのが、この品質マニュアルです。

Asker: Drozさん、Kathyさん、コメントありがとうございます。 Kathyさんのcompatible とcomplianceの説明よくわかりました。

Asker: Derekさん、みなさん、改めて、数々のアドバイスをありがとうございました。今後の参考にさせて頂きます。


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Kurt Hammond: yes, I would have said "ISO/TS compliant products"
3 mins

neutral  Drozjp: Kathyさん、コメントを送ってくれはってありがとうございます。Leochanさんの説明を読むと、承認後でないと"Compliant"と言えないような気がしたんです。実際のところはどんなもんなんでしょうか?"apply for ISO/TS"っていうのをどっかに入れたら変になりますか?
6 hrs
  -> Yes, I think "eligible for" is better given the added explanation. Thanks, Droz-san.

agree  Derek Newpor (X): I have also translated 対象 in this context as "intended for", which concurs with peer comment that the products may not actually have been tested as compliant
2 days 5 hrs
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