Archivi patriziali

09:34 Sep 7, 2020
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Social Sciences - History / Archives
Italian term or phrase: Archivi patriziali
A title, followed by this:
Tra gli archivi della Svizzera italiana utili ai fini del progetto, ci sono quelli dei Patriziati (Bourgeoisie in Svizzera francese) conservati solitamente presso le diverse istituzioni patriziali ticinesi.
I'm clear what it means but can't think of an appropriate English equivalent. I'm tempted by something around landowners, but it doesn't cover the urban elite. Any ideas?
Isabelle Johnson
Italy
Local time: 16:31


Summary of answers provided
4Archives of the urban elite
Cillie Swart
4Archives of Notables
Wolfgang Hager
Summary of reference entries provided
Swiss patriciates
Barbara Carrara
Wendy Streitparth

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Archives of the urban elite


Explanation:
I don't think there can be anything wrong with just spelling it out like this.

Any overemphasis on meaning as opposed to word for word translation here will be amply compensated for by the clear designations in the sentence under the title.


    https://www.linguee.com/english-italian/search?query=archivi+patriziale
Cillie Swart
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Archives of Notables


Explanation:
Since this does not relate to British society, no term which would make sense there, like Upper Middle Class, is suitable. Notable can be used in English. In per-revolutionary France, this was a formal class - echos of such usage even in Italian Switzerland possible.

Wolfgang Hager
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Reference comments


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Reference: Swiss patriciates

Reference information:
Here's a Swiss ref. for you,
'The first historical mention concerning the patriciate (local nobility) of Ronco sopra Ascona dates back to 1641, year in which this municipality became politically independent. It was, in fact, in this year that the patrician families started drawing up the minutes of assemblies and compiling a book of regulations, all documents that are still preserved today in the Patrician Archive.'
( http://www.ronco-s-ascona.ch/en/30/patriciate.aspx )

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Guess it all comes down to what the research paper is about and its intended audience.

Barbara Carrara
Italy
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Note to reference poster
Asker: Hello Barbara! This is very useful, thanks. I could, I suppose, just go for Patrician Archives. It does sound a bit odd to me but seems to be normal usage in your reference.

Asker: It's a research proposal, so this part is listing the archives it proposes to consult if the proposal is approved for funding.


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Reference

Reference information:
https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/it/articles/026443/2005-02-16/

Having looked at the three versions, it seems to me this is just referring to municipal archives.

Wendy Streitparth
Germany
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Asker: Hello Wendy. These were separate institutions as is clear in your link. In fact we have the two in the Dolomites, too, with local resources such as forests and pastures being collectively managed by ancient local institutions (regole here) which are distinct from the town councils.

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