stirpe

13:33 Jul 11, 2020
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Italian to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - History / Fascism
Italian term or phrase: stirpe
La salvezza dell’Europa, ai loro occhi, poteva arrivare solo dalla riscoperta della civiltà romana sotto la guida della stirpe italiana.

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Il razzismo nazional-romano, infatti, puntava su concetti più ambigui, come quelli di stirpe e civiltà.
Catherine Ches
Italy
Local time: 13:10


Summary of answers provided
4 +3race
Tom in London
4 +2[Italian] race (1) / ancestry (2)
Inter-Tra
3 +1lineage
Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
4ethnicity
Cillie Swart
4(The Italian) people
Michele Fauble
4bloodline
Isabella Nanni
3ancestral heritage
Barbara Cochran, MFA


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15 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
[Italian] race (1) / ancestry (2)


Explanation:
It seems to be a text on nationalism
..nder the leadership of the Italian decendants

https://www.genomeweb.com/sequencing/ancient-romans-genetic-...

Inter-Tra
Italy
Local time: 13:10
Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Tom in London: I came first with "race"!
6 mins
  -> There is no need to reiterate what I have already stated in the post discussion. And by the way the second stirpe is 'ancestry & culture'

agree  writeaway: 1 minute time difference means you posted at the same time. And you have included a reference.
2 hrs

agree  Adrian MM.: if (1) refers to the first example capturing the def. art. 'della' of the race and (2) quelli di stirpe... with no article, so the only answer to d/w the difference.
3 hrs
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24 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
lineage


Explanation:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/linea...

Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
Mexico
Local time: 07:10
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Native speaker of: Spanish

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agree  texjax DDS PhD
50 mins
  -> Gracias texjax!
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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
ancestral heritage


Explanation:
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Note added at 56 mins (2020-07-11 14:29:23 GMT)
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Or "ancestral legacy".

Barbara Cochran, MFA
United States
Local time: 08:10
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
ethnicity


Explanation:
ethnicity or ethnic group might be safer here.


    https://www.linguee.com/english-italian/search?query=stirpe
Cillie Swart
South Africa
Local time: 14:10
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
(The Italian) people


Explanation:
A neutral term.

Michele Fauble
United States
Local time: 05:10
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 20
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
bloodline


Explanation:
sounds less racist than "race", pardon the pun - I never heard of the "Italian race"

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Note added at 8 hrs (2020-07-11 21:50:35 GMT)
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Look how "bloodline" is used here as a synonym for race with a somewhat more positive meaning "The highest race was the ‘Aryan’, of which the Germans were the nearest contem-porary example (though their Aryan purity had been somewhat compromisedby the admission of inferior races into their bloodline)."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327127192_Fascism



Isabella Nanni
Italy
Local time: 13:10
Native speaker of: Italian
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14 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
race


Explanation:
In this context, even when used ironically as it is here, "stirpe" is a racist term that is taken to include ancestry, culture, language, blood, genetics etc.

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Note added at 4 days (2020-07-16 12:46:36 GMT)
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I fear you have a concept of irony that is different from mine. Many people think irony is a form of humour. It absolutely is not in this particular context.

Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:10
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 91
Notes to answerer
Asker: Nothing ironic here I'm afraid! This was a paper about the shaping of fascist ideology. I discussed this word heavily with my client, a uni researcher, and he says that stripe and razza are two different concepts in Italian. He explained that that stirpe has more of a cultural connotation than race, which is strictly about science. This paper was all about this difference: while German fascism based its racism on biological factors, the Italian versione was based on a more "spiritual" connotation of what a race actually is, hence the use of stirpe instead of razza.

Asker: Sorry, I should have added that he asked me to use the term "descent". I'm not sure that a perfect translation of the term exists.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Isabelle Johnson
5 mins
  -> Thank you Isabelle

agree  Roberta Broccoletti
44 mins
  -> Thank you Roberta

agree  Gabriel Ferrero
9 hrs
  -> Thank you Gabriel
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