Erstkorrektor

English translation: first marker

07:09 Mar 13, 2009
German to English translations [PRO]
Science - Science (general) / Higher education
German term or phrase: Erstkorrektor
Den betreuenden Teil (Erst- und Zweitkorrektor) des Fachbereichs der Hochschule.

(Für eine Diplomarbeit.)
David Williams
Germany
Local time: 18:17
English translation:first marker
Explanation:
The first marker (who can be the supervisor) followed by the second marker.

For example:
... All university examinations must be sat and marked anonymously (cf ... even though the first marker may know the identity of the student. ...
www.dur.ac.uk/learningandteaching.handbook/6/3/17/



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Finally, information concerning current University examinations procedure (which is ... since the first marker of projects is normally the supervisor. ...
maths.york.ac.uk/www/UgradWritten

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Logo of The University of Manchester, established 1824, links to University home page ... Work & Attendance & Progress Cttees · Examination Board Marks' Grids ... marks should be calculated by the first marker and checked by the second. ...
www.campus.manchester.ac.uk/ssc/examinations/markingandresu...

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@ Asker:

The dissertation is a (main) part of the examination and carries something like 70% of the final mark and the remainder is made up with some other modules which count towards the examination. I acted a few years back as a supervisor and first marker for one of the London universities, but would have to look now in my handbook to be more precise.

But here is another example:
Nottingham Trent University. We have 2 markers who mark the dissertation .... We use the supervisor as the first marker and another staff member as the ...
www.ics.heacademy.ac.uk/resources/faqs/answers.php?id=27
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Marga Shaw
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:17
Grading comment
Thank you!
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Summary of answers provided
3 +3first marker
Marga Shaw
2 +3first referee
Dr. Johanna Schmitt
3 +1first reviewer
gangels (X)
3Lector, corrector, proof reader
Monika N. (X)
3chief referee
Anne Schulz


Discussion entries: 15





  

Answers


48 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Lector, corrector, proof reader


Explanation:
I thought it might be a lector, because it is higher education.
corrector means the same as in german, it is only written with "c"

Monika N. (X)
Canada
Local time: 10:17
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
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35 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
chief referee


Explanation:
and co-referee

As Johanna pointed out, the "Erstkorrektor" is usually the supervisor/thesis advisor.

And, mind, a diploma thesis is no less than a doctoral thesis in many fields, that's not like graduate vs undergraduate.

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You are right - German academic grades are very confusing :-))
They are subject to federal states law and thus can be different from one state to another, and they tend to be re-defined over time. See e.g. summary at Wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademischer_Grad

(My remark above was in part referring to the "old" GDR medical diploma thesis which was often more demanding and comprehensive than a West German medical doctoral thesis.)

Anne Schulz
Germany
Local time: 18:17
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 14
Notes to answerer
Asker: How intriguing. If a diploma thesis is no less than a doctoral thesis, what then is a Magisterarbeit, which is surely between a Diplomarbeit and a Doktorarbeit?

Asker: This is not so much about academic grades as about academic positions and titles.

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40 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
first marker


Explanation:
The first marker (who can be the supervisor) followed by the second marker.

For example:
... All university examinations must be sat and marked anonymously (cf ... even though the first marker may know the identity of the student. ...
www.dur.ac.uk/learningandteaching.handbook/6/3/17/



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Note added at 44 mins (2009-03-13 07:53:16 GMT)
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Finally, information concerning current University examinations procedure (which is ... since the first marker of projects is normally the supervisor. ...
maths.york.ac.uk/www/UgradWritten

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-03-13 08:14:09 GMT)
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Logo of The University of Manchester, established 1824, links to University home page ... Work & Attendance & Progress Cttees · Examination Board Marks' Grids ... marks should be calculated by the first marker and checked by the second. ...
www.campus.manchester.ac.uk/ssc/examinations/markingandresu...

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@ Asker:

The dissertation is a (main) part of the examination and carries something like 70% of the final mark and the remainder is made up with some other modules which count towards the examination. I acted a few years back as a supervisor and first marker for one of the London universities, but would have to look now in my handbook to be more precise.

But here is another example:
Nottingham Trent University. We have 2 markers who mark the dissertation .... We use the supervisor as the first marker and another staff member as the ...
www.ics.heacademy.ac.uk/resources/faqs/answers.php?id=27

Marga Shaw
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:17
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 8
Grading comment
Thank you!
Notes to answerer
Asker: This is for a dissertation, not an exam.

Asker: Great, thanks! For my final year dissertation we had examiners, but it seems as if it varies from one university to another, or else may have changed in the intervening decade or so.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Monika N. (X): I just looked it up and found "education marker"
40 mins
  -> Thanks Miss Management!

agree  CArcher
2 hrs
  -> Thanks Claudia!

agree  Harald Moelzer (medical-translator): convincing references!
6 hrs
  -> Thanks Harald! Well, I would call it more coincidence.
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14 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): +3
first referee


Explanation:
..and second referee

http://www.mpg.de/bilderBerichteDokumente/dokumentation/jahr...

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- "Diplom" for Sciences: consists of Dipomarbeit and Diplomprüfung. The Diplomarbeit involves research and has to be written like a PhD-thesis (it is like a small version of a PhD-thesis). Diplomprüfung is examination in 4 subjects.
- "Magister" for Humanities: consists of Magisterarbeit and Magisterprüfung. Magisterarbeit also has to be written and involves research, but of course different kind of research than in Science, and Magisterprüfung is also examination in different subjects.

"Diplom" and "Magister" are degrees you get when you have finished your studies at university.

- "Doktor (PhD)" you can do after completing either Magister or Diplom, and depending on the faculty, you either become "Dr. rer. nat." (Sciences) or "Dr. phil." (Humanities) or so.


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Thank you for the explanation!

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Note added at 3 hrs (2009-03-13 10:45:46 GMT)
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I am sorry to hear that! Well, you made it, anyway, haven't you, maybe different than you had planned before. And I hope your leg is okay again!

Dr. Johanna Schmitt
Germany
Local time: 18:17
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks. If the Diplomarbeit involves research and has to be written like a PhD thesis (and is like a small version of a PhD thesis) then it is the exact equivalent of an undergraduate (final year) dissertation for a BSc. (and probably for a BA too).

Asker: My pleasure! Been there, done that, just didn't get the T-shirt (title in fron of my name) as some driver decided (inadvertently) I should break a leg.

Asker: Thanks! Well, it depends on the weather as to how my leg is now, but at least I can cycle again :-)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Anne Schulz: passt schon für eine Diplomarbeit, finde ich
23 mins
  -> Vielen Dank, Anne! Das Verfahren ist ja für Diplom und Doktortitel in dieser Hinsicht ähnlich.

agree  Juan Alvarez
29 mins
  -> Vielen Dank, Juan!

agree  Dr. Anja Masselli
3 hrs
  -> Vielen Dank, Anja!
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
first reviewer


Explanation:
A reviewer checks a submitted paper for overall content, the editor (lector) will make stylistic and/or factual changes, the proofreader checks for typos.

The job gets a "first read", a "second read" etc

Referee is totally off base, IMO

gangels (X)
Local time: 10:17
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 8
Notes to answerer
Asker: OK, but is either the reviewer, editor (lector) or proofreader the "Korrektor" in the German sense? It seems to me (in this context, at any rate)as if the Erst- und Zweitkorrektor are much more likely to be the supervisor or examiner, since they are meant to countersign at the bottom of a student contract (for a student who will be writing their Diplomarbeit in a corporate setting).


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Lirka
1 day 4 hrs
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