widerlegbar deren Selbstständigkeit vermutet wird

English translation: there is a rebuttable presumption of self-employment

10:38 Aug 17, 2018
German to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Law: Taxation & Customs
German term or phrase: widerlegbar deren Selbstständigkeit vermutet wird
Context: Information on "Scheinselbstständigkeit" in Germany

Seit 1999 durfte der Sozialversicherungsträger - sofern die Parteien des zu beurteilenden Beschäftigungsverhältnisses sich weigerten, bei der Klärung der Frage, ob Scheinselbstständigkeit vorliegt, mitzuwirken - eine abhängige und damit versicherungspflichtige Beschäftigung unterstellen, wenn mindestens drei von fünf im Gesetz präzisierten Merkmalen vorlagen. Zum 01. Januar 2003 ist diese bisherige Vermutungsregelung nach § 7 Abs. 4 Sozialgesetzbuch (SGB) IV weggefallen. Der § 7 Abs. 4 SGB IV besagte nur noch, dass für Personen, die einen Existenzgründungszuschuss nach § 421 Abs. 1 SGB III beantragt haben ("Ich-AG"), während ihrer (maximal dreijährigen) Förderung widerlegbar deren Selbstständigkeit vermutet wird.

The "widerlegbar deren Selbstständigkeit vermutet wird" part of the last sentence has got me stumped. Can anyone help out?

TIA
jackiekiefer
English translation:there is a rebuttable presumption of self-employment
Explanation:
A "widerlegbare Vermutung" is the German equivalent of the standard English legal term "rebuttable presumption".

As a side note, I remember when the law changed back in 2003, as it made life much easier for translators in Germany, even though the number of translators using the "Ich-AG" construct was very low. But it did put an end to ridiculous audits of translation companies in an attempt to prove that their freelancers were actually employees.
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Summary of answers provided
5 +3there is a rebuttable presumption of self-employment
RobinB
3 +1they are presumed to be self-employed
Armorel Young
4It is disputably assumed that persons [...] were self-employed during [....]
Stuart and Aida Nelson
4presumption of self-employment subject to rebuttal
Haigo Salow
3presumed self-employed..,subject to disproval
Michael Martin, MA
3presumed self-employment
gangels (X)
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Was ist eine widerlegbare Vermutung?
Stuart and Aida Nelson

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22 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
they are presumed to be self-employed


Explanation:
to which you could add "unless proved otherwise" if you want to stress the "widerlegbar" aspect

Armorel Young
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agree  writeaway: presumed, presumption
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It is disputably assumed that persons [...] were self-employed during [....]


Explanation:
Section ....that it is disputably assumed that persons who [...] pursuant to [...] were self-employed during [...]

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Note added at 1 hr (2018-08-17 12:09:55 GMT)
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or .. [are]

Stuart and Aida Nelson
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +3
there is a rebuttable presumption of self-employment


Explanation:
A "widerlegbare Vermutung" is the German equivalent of the standard English legal term "rebuttable presumption".

As a side note, I remember when the law changed back in 2003, as it made life much easier for translators in Germany, even though the number of translators using the "Ich-AG" construct was very low. But it did put an end to ridiculous audits of translation companies in an attempt to prove that their freelancers were actually employees.

RobinB
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Thanks to everyone for all their valuable input!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Björn Vrooman: Yup: https://definitions.uslegal.com/r/rebuttable-presumption Also known as praesumptio iuris tantum. Long time, no see. Hope you're well. // At least, you can keep more of your money now with that tax break in place =)
46 mins
  -> Thanks Björn. Doing well, thanks, and settling in on a new continent. And working hard, of course :-)// Yes, the tax break will be useful, but the euro (my billing currency) has tanked against the dollar.

agree  Stuart and Aida Nelson: Yes, glad you found the right term, Cheers, Aida.
1 hr
  -> Thank you. Actually, I come across "widerlegbare Vermutung" (or the verbal form) in many of the accounting and prudential regulation documents I translate.

agree  A. & S. Witte
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  -> Thanks guys!
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presumed self-employed..,subject to disproval


Explanation:
Armorel already explained it correctly. This is just to provide you with more ideas on how to integrate this into the sentence.

Section 7 (4) SGB IV now merely indicates that individuals who have applied for startup assistance under section 421 (1) SGB III ("Ich-AG") are presumed self-employed during their assistance period (not exceeding three years), subject to disproval.

Michael Martin, MA
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presumed self-employment


Explanation:
....during their assistance grants extending no more than 3 years of presumed self-employment

gangels (X)
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1 day 13 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
presumption of self-employment subject to rebuttal


Explanation:
It' along the same line as Robin's suggestion, but a little less confusing IMO.

Haigo Salow
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Reference: Was ist eine widerlegbare Vermutung?

Reference information:
Eine zugelassene Vermutung kann widerlegt werden, wenn eine der Parteien ist, Beweis darzustellen, der sie effektiv widerlegt. Dieses bekannt als widerlegbare Vermutung.

http://fragenantworten.info/Anwalte-law/Was-ist-eine-widerle...

Stuart and Aida Nelson
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