höhere Gewalt wie hoheitliche Eingriffe

English translation: force majeure such as state interventions

10:41 Jun 4, 2020
German to English translations [PRO]
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German term or phrase: höhere Gewalt wie hoheitliche Eingriffe
Treten auf unserer Seite oder bei unseren Vorlieferanten Ereignisse außerhalb unserer Einflussmöglichkeiten auf, z. B. höhere Gewalt wie hoheitliche Eingriffe, Aus- und/ oder Einfuhrverbote, Arbeitskämpfe in eigenen und fremden Betrieben, Verzögerung oder Ausfall der Anlieferung wesentlicher Rohstoffe, Materialien oder Teile, Maschinenschaden oder Stromausfall, verlängert sich die Lieferfrist - auch bei bereits bestehendem Lieferverzug - angemessen.

My question is about the 'wie'. I can't work out if it means 'such as' or if it is a connector with the meaning of 'and'. I am inclined towards the former, but am doubting myself.
Carolyn Brice
Greece
Local time: 11:49
English translation:force majeure such as state interventions
Explanation:
"Also strike, lock-out, mobilisation, war, blockade, export and import bans and other state intervention are deemed to be force majeure regardless of whether they occur on our part or on the part of our supplier."
https://www.doehler.com/en/terms-conditions.html

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Note added at 49 mins (2020-06-04 11:31:17 GMT)
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"Der höheren Gewalt stehen Streik, Aussperrung, Mobilmachung, Krieg, Blockade, Aus- und Einfuhrverbote und sonstige hoheitliche Eingriffe gleich, und zwar einerlei, ob sie bei uns oder unserem Lieferanten eintreten."
https://www.doehler.com/de/agb.html
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Chris Pr
United Kingdom
Local time: 09:49
Grading comment
Thanks again for your help, I graded based on peer agrees, although Leighton and Michael were equally as helpful.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +6force majeure such as state interventions
Chris Pr
3 +2force majeure, public authority interventions
Leighton Jacobs
3 +1force majeure including acts of government
Michael Martin, MA
3acts beyond our control....
Klaus Beyer


Discussion entries: 14





  

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22 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
force majeure, public authority interventions


Explanation:
Possibly an error because this seems to be a set phrase and almost never appears with "wie" but rather a comma instead

E.g. "Treten Leistungshindernisse außerhalb der Einflussmöglichkeiten des Verkäufers auf, z. B. höhere Gewalt, hoheitliche Eingriffe, Aus- und/oder Einfuhrverbote, Arbeitskämpfe" (https://www.lettsfit.de/agb.html)

Besides, I don't think government acts can generally be considered force majeure?


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Note added at 42 mins (2020-06-04 11:24:00 GMT)
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As it was purposefully changed from a comma to "wie", I would now suggest using "such as" because you have to assume that the company is thereby specifying that government acts will be considered force majeure.

Leighton Jacobs
United Kingdom
Local time: 09:49
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Notes to answerer
Asker: That's exactly my conundrum, the editor of the source text removed the comma and added the 'wie', so I guess my question is whether government acts are considered force majeure? Possibly a question for the author.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Adrian MM.: wie: either such as or sowie: as well as....
5 mins

agree  Lancashireman: See comment in Discussion Box
2 hrs
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45 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +6
force majeure such as state interventions


Explanation:
"Also strike, lock-out, mobilisation, war, blockade, export and import bans and other state intervention are deemed to be force majeure regardless of whether they occur on our part or on the part of our supplier."
https://www.doehler.com/en/terms-conditions.html

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Note added at 49 mins (2020-06-04 11:31:17 GMT)
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"Der höheren Gewalt stehen Streik, Aussperrung, Mobilmachung, Krieg, Blockade, Aus- und Einfuhrverbote und sonstige hoheitliche Eingriffe gleich, und zwar einerlei, ob sie bei uns oder unserem Lieferanten eintreten."
https://www.doehler.com/de/agb.html

Chris Pr
United Kingdom
Local time: 09:49
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
Thanks again for your help, I graded based on peer agrees, although Leighton and Michael were equally as helpful.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard: It's redundant, because you don't need to give examples of force majeure.
8 mins

agree  David Hollywood
21 mins

agree  Andreea Sepi, MCIL (X)
2 hrs

neutral  Lancashireman: As Phil says in one of his typically Delphic agrees "It's redundant, because you don't need to give examples of force majeure." // But I would argue that "wie" here means "and" (Robin B). With agrees like these, who needs disagrees?
2 hrs
  -> An "exceptional" example of force majeure seems to be the common consensus in the DB...

agree  RobinB: But I would argue that "wie" here means "and". This is a common usage in German legal texts in particular. Also, I'm glad we seem to have moved away from "acts of princes or rulers"!
8 hrs

agree  Harald Moelzer (medical-translator)
19 hrs

agree  AllegroTrans
3 days 40 mins
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
force majeure including acts of government


Explanation:
Force majeure and acts of government are usually treated separately. But occasionally there are attempts to treat acts of government as force majeure. See below:

"Obviously Hurricane Harvey and similar catastrophic acts of God are events that are neither anticipated and cannot be controlled by any supplier. Nevertheless, many suppliers also try to expand the list of unforeseen events to include “acts of the government”. In fact, in the wake of the cleanup efforts, several residents of Houston filed a lawsuit, Val Aldred et al. v. Harris County Flood Control District and the City of Houston, claiming that the Army Corps of Engineers intentionally flooded and “took” their property because the Corps released water from a reservoir to avoid more widespread flooding if the reservoir overflowed." https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=93ec153f-f03b...

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Note added at 7 hrs (2020-06-04 18:08:09 GMT)
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Maybe this should have read "höhere Gewalt SOWIE hoheitliche Eingriffe.."

Michael Martin, MA
United States
Local time: 05:49
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 245

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Chris Pr: // The synonym, as mentioned in the DB, is 'included' for 'such as', so I think you're missing the point entirely...
31 mins
  -> It's getting old, Chris.. 'Acts of government' is state of the art for 'höhere Gewalt' and 'including', unlike 'such as', permits us to group items together that are not strictly the same. Exactly what we need here.

agree  Mary Harris: Agree here strictly on the basis that “including” is the better synonym since it more strongly infers “, but not limited to”. The entire clause isn´t particularly iron-clad, so every little bit will help.
1 day 20 hrs
  -> Thanks, Mary. You put it well. Same point I was trying to explain to Chris.
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2 days 12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
acts beyond our control....


Explanation:
like governmental intervention

Force majeure is generally restricted to the forces of nature, like quakes, fire, flooding, or war, not actions by fiat, e.g. governmental intrusion or human whims

Klaus Beyer
United States
Local time: 04:49
Works in field
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Chris Pr: Good point apropos 'restricted to forces of nature', but here unambiguously adding state interventions to that list - and very deliberately, too...
9 hrs
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