Grundkörper

20:42 Nov 21, 2017

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German to English translations [PRO]
Marketing - Food & Drink

German term or phrase: Grundkörper

Hi, does anyone have any idea how to translate "Grundkörper" in this sentence? It seems to be some sort of general term used by a cake manufacturer to refer to their own alcoholic drinks and appears here in a recipe:

500g Trüffelmasse mit 250 g Butter zu einer schaumigen Creme aufschlagen und nach Belieben mit einem unserer Grundkörper (z.B. Rum 74 %, Amaretto oder Cointreau) und/oder unsere Aroma und Fruchtpasten abschmecken.

I may end up just using "liqueur" because of the context, but I'd be grateful for any suggestions on "Grundkörper" in this context.

Hannah Da Santos KudoZ activity Questions: 3 (none open) (1 closed without grading) Answers: 0 United Kingdom
Local time: 00:11

Summary of answers provided

4 +2

basic ingredients

David Hollywood

essential ingredient

Herbmione Granger

Rectified spirit/neutral spirits/rectified alcohol

Teangacha (X)

Summary of reference entries provided

Wendy Streitparth

Discussion entries: 7

Teangacha (X)

Ireland

16:52 Nov 22, 2017

@herbalchemist

I'm realising I missed out on the poitín making lessons here and am really not sure!!!!! : )

Herbmione Granger

Germany

16:25 Nov 22, 2017

@Irene3 :)

@AnyoneInterested [Updated] I don't like the Kudoz chem. entries for Grundkörper. The meaning is closer to parent compound than skeleton.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00902538?no-acce...
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkömmling
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-540-31096-9_...
parent compound/parent molecule (backbone) > Grundkörper (Strukturformel)

Maybe basis for a class/series of compounds
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/230476540_Analyse_d...
https://www.google.com/patents/EP1611146A1?cl=de

Hannah Da Santos

United Kingdom

ASKER

15:59 Nov 22, 2017

Thanks to everyone who's contributed so far. At the moment, I'm leaning towards "main/basic spirit ingredients". Doesn't sound the best maybe, but feels like the most accurate solution I can come up with at the moment, given the context.

Teangacha (X)

Ireland

15:56 Nov 22, 2017

@herbalchemist
Yes, main ingredient was something I was thinking of as well. Might have over researched this one and gotten lost!!!! : )

Herbmione Granger

Germany

corpo principale

15:53 Nov 22, 2017

This might help, too: https://www.proz.com/kudoz/german_to_italian/tech_engineerin...

Hannah Da Santos

United Kingdom

ASKER

21:05 Nov 21, 2017

Hi Phil,

Thanks for the suggestion of "staples". I think that might work - and thanks for pointing out that rum is not a liqueur. Had a bit of a senior moment there!:-/ I'm not sure if the spirits are made by the same manufacturer, but it looks like they sell them under their own brand anyway.

philgoddard

United States

Hi Hannah

20:58 Nov 21, 2017

What do you mean by "their own alcoholic drinks"? Does the cake manufacturer also make spirits?
Could Grundkörper mean something like "staples", ie there are lots of other recipes containing spirits? Is this a book?
You can't say "liqueur", because rum is not a liqueur.

Answers

34 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

basic ingredients

Explanation:
I would say

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yummie

David Hollywood
Local time: 20:11
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 78

18 hrs confidence:

Rectified spirit/neutral spirits/rectified alcohol

Explanation:
https://www.chefkoch.de/rezepte/997761205143417/Likoer-Grund...

Der Likörgrundkörper ist eine geniale Grundlage für selber anzusetzende Liköre. Man erreicht durch ihn bei den Likören einen Geschmack, wie er mit reiner Alkoholzugabe nie entstehen kann. Die Mühe lohnt sich.

https://www.paracelsus-versand.de/fluessigkeiten-substanzen/...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectified_spirit

Rectified spirit, also known as neutral spirits, rectified alcohol, or ethyl alcohol of agricultural origin[

https://www.brennerei-kessler.de/1-Liter-Primasprit-96-vol

Weingeist, auch als Neutralalkohol, Trinkalkohol oder Primasprit bezeichnet, ist ein sehr Geschmacksneutraler Alkohol, der sich hervorragend für die Herstellung von Likören und anderen alkoholischen Ansätzen eignet.

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My confidence level should be low not medium!!!! I could be wrong.

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No, the more I look at it the more I think I am wrong. Rum 74%, Amaretto and Cointreau seem to be finished drinks in themselves not neutral spirits.

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Will be interested to know if it is right or wrong and the answer! : )

Teangacha (X)
Ireland
Local time: 00:11
Native speaker of: English

12 hrs confidence:

essential ingredient

Explanation:
Wendy's references suggest that this is a "foundational substance" (forms the Grundlage).

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I am thinking that this is "fundamental," which has a stronger meaning than "basic."

http://www.ams.org/journals/bull/1904-10-05/S0002-9904-1904-...
Dr. Bernstein bases his work on theorems of Kronecker,
Weber, and Hilbert. He gives the necessary and sufficient
conditions that a "Primideal" of the fundamental system
(Grundkörper) shall lie in a particular class of the same.

Herbmione Granger
Germany
Local time: 01:11
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 8

Reference comments

9 hrs peer agreement (net): +2

Reference

Reference information:
Der Likörgrundkörper ist eine geniale Grundlage für selber anzusetzende Liköre. Man erreicht durch ihn bei den Likören einen Geschmack, wie er mit reiner Alkoholzugabe nie entstehen kann.

https://www.chefkoch.de/rezepte/997761205143417/Likoer-Grund...

TOMAMI Tomate verleiht eine fruchtig-würzige Tomatennote mit typischer Säure und herzhaftem Grundkörper wie man es von frischen, knackigen, sonnengereiften Tomaten kennt.
http://kochbock.de/rezepte/kapern-ziegenkaese-ciabatta/

Wendy Streitparth
Germany
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 30

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