valide

English translation: rigorous - effective - accurately predict

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German term or phrase:valide
English translation:rigorous - effective - accurately predict
Entered by: Edith Kelly

14:50 Apr 10, 2020
German to English translations [Non-PRO]
Science - Chemistry; Chem Sci/Eng / Reinigungswirkung testen
German term or phrase: valide
Simulationssoftware | Die hygienegerechte Produktion von Lebensmitteln, Pharmaprodukten und Kosmetika erfordert eine "valide", anforderungsgerechte Reinigung des Produktionsbereichs. Dabei handelt es sich häufig um komplexe Anlagen, für die eine effiziente Auslegung des Reinigungssystems eine besondere Herausforderung darstellt.

This is the first paragraph of an article entitled "Reinigungswirkung virtuell testen". I am not sure about the meaning of the word "valide". Initially I thought it could mean validated but this does not seem to be the case. My ideas: sound, thorough, effective

What do you think? Or does it mean something completely different?
TIA and happy Eastern
Edith Kelly
Switzerland
Local time: 01:16
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Explanation:
...in light of Edith's DB entry...

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...or even "rigorous"...

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Unless "valid" is the feasible word (not either case here), I'd tend to use "accurate[ly]" (or equivalent) as the first option...

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"...accurately predict the results...", in this second instance...
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Chris Pr
United Kingdom
Local time: 00:16
Grading comment
Thank you Chris. I think this is the best solution in both instances.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2effective
Barbara Schmidt, M.A. (X)
5valid, reliable (solid, dependable)
Johannes Gleim
4spotless
Chris Pr
3 +1validated
Michael Martin, MA


Discussion entries: 7





  

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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
effective


Explanation:
would be my choice in the absence of any kind of 'validation'



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… according to the pertinent standards ...

Barbara Schmidt, M.A. (X)
Germany
Local time: 01:16
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 38

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Chris Pr: The cleaning equivalent of "accurate" would be "effective" imho...
5 mins
  -> Thank you, Chris!

agree  Kim Metzger: effectively, accurately, with precision
1 day 8 hrs
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23 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
spotless


Explanation:
...in light of Edith's DB entry...

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Note added at 27 mins (2020-04-10 15:17:44 GMT)
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...or even "rigorous"...

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Note added at 40 mins (2020-04-10 15:30:41 GMT)
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Unless "valid" is the feasible word (not either case here), I'd tend to use "accurate[ly]" (or equivalent) as the first option...

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Note added at 44 mins (2020-04-10 15:34:17 GMT)
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"...accurately predict the results...", in this second instance...

Chris Pr
United Kingdom
Local time: 00:16
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thank you Chris. I think this is the best solution in both instances.
Notes to answerer
Asker: I like rigorous but now the second "valide"?

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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
validated


Explanation:
"The hygienic manufacture of food, pharmaceutical products and cosmetics requires validated cleaning of the production area that complies with the appropriate standards."

Compare with these sources:
Reinigungsvalidierung lat. validus: stark, wirksam, gesund Validierung ist der Nachweis der Reproduzierbarkeit eines Ergebnisses aus einer beschriebenen, freigegebenen Vorgehensweise Wie? Bereitstellung eines dokumentierten, objektiven Nachweises, dass ein Prozess konsistent den Anforderungen zuvor festgelegter Grenzwerte erfüllt. https://docplayer.org/116025076-Cip-reinigungsvalidierung.ht...

"This guide is designed to establish inspection consistency and uniformity by discussing practices that have been found acceptable (or unacceptable). Simultaneously, one must recognize that for cleaning validation, as with validation of other processes, there may be more than one way to validate a process. In the end, the test of any validation process is whether scientific data shows that the system consistently does as expected and produces a result that consistently meets predetermined specifications." https://www.fda.gov/validation-cleaning-processes-793

Michael Martin, MA
United States
Local time: 19:16
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 17
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks Michael, there is nothing about validating. I suppose the author just likes the word. The text is awful and full of grammar mistakes. I was my first thought but does not fit. Happy Eastern´


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agree  Schtroumpf
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2 days 1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
valid, reliable (solid, dependable)


Explanation:
Da ich den Leo-Eintrag "'valide [form.] - zuverlässig, wirkungsvoll" anhand meiner Wörterbücher nicht bestätigen konnte, auch wenn dessen Verwendung im Sinne von zuverlässig unstrittig ist, musste ich meinen Vorschlag anpassen und habe ihn mit weiteren zuverlässigen Quellen unterstützt.

Explanation:
va­li­de
Wortart: Adjektiv
Gebrauch: bildungssprachlich
Bedeutung: gültig, gesichert
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/valide

Validität (lateinisch validus "kräftig" "wirksam"; englisch validity; auch: Gültigkeit) ist (neben der Reliabilität und der Objektivität) ein Gütekriterium für Modelle, Mess- oder Testverfahren.
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Validität

Validity is the extent to which a concept,[1] conclusion or measurement is well-founded and likely corresponds accurately to the real world. The word "valid" is derived from the Latin validus, meaning strong. The validity of a measurement tool (for example, a test in education) is the degree to which the tool measures what it claims to measure. Validity is based on the strength of a collection of different types of evidence (e.g. face validity, construct validity, etc.) described in greater detail below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Validity_(statistics)

valid test zuverlässiger Test
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/valid

Ein Test ist valide, wenn er das misst, was er zu messen vorgibt.
A test is valid if it measures what it claims to measure.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/deutsch-engli...

• Die BSB-Bestimmung kann nicht als valide Bestimmung der biologischen Abbaubarkeit eines Stoffes angesehen werden.
• The BOD determination cannot be considered as a valid determination of the biodegradability of a substance.
https://www.woxikon.de/woerterbuch/de-en/valide

va·lid
Adj. va·lid, va·li·de
valid valide nicht steig. fachspr. der Zustand, dass eine (wissenschaftliche) Aussage gültig und zuverlässig ist Dieser Beweis ist/gilt als valide.
https://de.thefreedictionary.com/valide

val·id [ˈvælıd] adj (adv regelm)
• 1. gültig:
a) stichhaltig, triftig (Beweis, Grund)
b) begründet, berechtigt (Anspruch, Argument etc)
c) richtig (Entscheidung etc)
• 2. JUR (rechts)gültig, rechtskräftig
• 3. wirksam (Methode etc)
https://www.wordreference.com/ende/valid

FDA expects a final validation report which is approved by management and which states whether or not the cleaning process is valid.
https://www.fda.gov/validation-cleaning-processes-793

Performing a valid cleaning process of areas, equipment and utensils (Sect. 34.16) is also intended to prevent cross-contamination.
https://books.google.de/books?id=s_FrCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA755&lpg=P...

Excimer laser cleaning is a valid cleaning process for the removal of polymerised varnishes and overpaint layers if the direct interaction of the laser with the material is known, as each pigment reacts differently to the laser radiation.
https://books.google.de/books?id=BkCm6cGsAs8C&pg=PA310&lpg=P...

Vorschlag für die Kontext-Übersetzung:

Die hygienegerechte Produktion von Lebensmitteln, Pharmaprodukten und Kosmetika erfordert eine "valide", anforderungsgerechte Reinigung des Produktionsbereichs.
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The hygienic production of food, pharmaceutical products and cosmetics requires a 'valid' cleaning of the production area according to requirements.


Johannes Gleim
Local time: 01:16
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 60
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