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Café liquoriste

18:36 May 28, 2013
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French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Tourism & Travel / Food and drink
French term or phrase: Café liquoriste
Description of a Paris cafe.
Café liquoriste qui accueillit Verlaine, Rimbaud et Mallarmé à la fin du siècle dernier, il confirmera sa vocation de haut lieu littéraire en créant le Prix des [Name of Restaurant] en 1933.
TAI Chris.
Bashiqa
France
Local time: 21:38


Summary of answers provided
3 +5cafe-bar
Karen Vincent-Jones (X)
4cafè liquoriste
Josephine Cassar
3 +1brasserie
Zachary Townsend
5 -1café & wine spirits seller
papier


Discussion entries: 12





  

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18 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
cafè liquoriste


Explanation:
Sorry, accent aigu, as could not change keyboard. It is a cafe on Place St. Germaine, when the Deux Magots were driven out of business because of a new department store, and the owners rented out spce to a cafe liquoriste- books.google.com.mt/books?id=CamofgPxDTMC&lpg=PT89&, also: A Tale of Two cafes-Arts and Entertainment, & Paris to the Moon:A Family in France

Josephine Cassar
Malta
Local time: 21:38
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in MalteseMaltese

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  philgoddard: OK, so you think it should be left in French - but what does it mean?
22 mins
  -> It seems there were places where you could have omelettes and drink coffee-Cafe de Flore and Cafe aux Deux Magots, one fashionable and Liquoriste was not so any more as it served wine to Oscar Wilde, e.g.or sherry to Hemingway, until political associat
neutral  AllegroTrans: wouldn't mean anyhting to an EN monolingual
1 day 4 hrs
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
brasserie


Explanation:
Brasseries are simple cafés/restaurants that serve you seated and serve liquor (which is the definition of a liquoriste - one who serves liquor), beer, coffee, food, etc. Brasserie Lipp where Hemingway and others gathered, to me, could be fit in the definition of a "café liquoriste." Les Deux Magots and Café de Flore, of course, also serve light fare and liquor and coffee.

Zachary Townsend
United States
Local time: 14:38
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Josephine Cassar: does not have the same "edge, spice" as it had omelettes, not other fare
4 hrs
agree  philgoddard: Good idea.
4 hrs
neutral  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: The problem is that brasseries also sell snacks, sandwiches, salads, croque-monsieurs etc whereas as café-liquoriste is being used to indicate that this is a café which is licensed to sell spirits and probably nothing more than peanuts to nibble on.
13 hrs
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15 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +5
cafe-bar


Explanation:
This would differentiate it from cafes where they just serve soft drinks and light refreshments, although of course in practice in France these are nearly almost licenced to sell alcoholic drinks.


    Reference: http://www.ica.org.uk/23766/Visit/Caf-Bar.html
    Reference: http://www.arnolfini.org.uk/visit/cafe-bar
Karen Vincent-Jones (X)
United Kingdom
Local time: 20:38
Works in field
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Catherine Gilsenan
34 mins
agree  Nikki Scott-Despaigne
5 hrs
agree  Yvonne Gallagher
7 hrs
agree  Zachary Townsend: I think you have decided already, but I think "bar" is the closest description frankly, but that depends on the audience you're writing for and what they will best understand, along with the style you're conveying. I wouldn't understand "licensed café"
13 hrs
agree  AllegroTrans: bar or wine bar
1 day 11 hrs
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22 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
café & wine spirits seller


Explanation:
A "liquoriste" is not just an old usage word in French. It means someone who visit all wine and wine related producers to pick up the best beverages to be sold in the retail market, including coffee houses, restaurants and bars. They can be licensed by some producers.
Some references:
http://bddrivein.be/cgi-bin/vin.cgi?ORD=viewcat&id_category=...
http://cartron.fr/
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/a-tale-of-tw...
"The Deux Magots is the modest inheritor of a silk lingerie store of that name which stood on the spot for decades, until the 1860s, when the growth of the big department stores across the river drove it out of business. The owners eventually rented out the space to a cafe liquoriste, WHO (*) kept the name and started serving coffee. No one knows exactly when the two famous statues of Chinese mandarins - the Deux Magots - were installed; Anatole France, in his memoirs, written at the turn of the century, speaks of a big picture of three magots that used to hang in the lingerie store."
(*) My remark in capital letters.
In French, the word for a place where people buys wine spirits is "liquoristerie"

papier
Brazil
Local time: 16:38
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in PortuguesePortuguese

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  AllegroTrans: put this into the asker's text and it is ridiculously cumbersome as well as being incorrect use of English
6 hrs
  -> That is a funny coincidence: I also find your point cumbersome!
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