Fermeture à la vente

English translation: excluded periods

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French term or phrase:Fermeture à la vente
English translation:excluded periods
Entered by: kostan

13:25 Jan 7, 2011
French to English translations [PRO]
Tourism & Travel / Hotels
French term or phrase: Fermeture à la vente
Could anyone help me urgently with the following? It concerns a special offer for a stay in a hotel. The offer is not valid during certain periods, for example major sporting events and "Hors périodes de fermeture à la vente".

Does this mean periods when sales are closed? Public holidays? It doesn't seem to make sense. Thank you!
Jane Golding
United Kingdom
Local time: 14:29
excluded periods
Explanation:
see explanation given by jeux de mots

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'exempted period' would be an alternative
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kostan
Austria
Local time: 15:29
Grading comment
Thank you very much. In the end I decided on this answer.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +3close out period
Sarah Bessioud
4 +3excluded periods
kostan
4 +3blackout periods
cc in nyc
4during hotel closure
Nicky La Touche
3after the expired period
axies
3temporary unavailability
AllegroTrans
Summary of reference entries provided
Blackout periods
cmwilliams (X)

Discussion entries: 18





  

Answers


7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
close out period


Explanation:
A period when all or some of a hotel's inventory is closed for general sale - may be over Christmas, new year, during trade fairs etc.

Sarah Bessioud
Germany
Local time: 15:29
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Louis Cyril P
1 min
  -> Thanks Louis

agree  AllegroTrans: OK for US English but not an expression used in the UK// the "drinkerie" was a spoof!!
22 mins
  -> Thank you Allegro - it is used in the UK actually, at least in the English and Scottish hotels in which I have worked (So where were you in the Drinkerie?//Shame, I'd been there for 23 hic hours)

agree  philgoddard: Is this drinkerie a brasserie by any chance? // Do you mean inventorie?
1 hr
  -> Thanks Phil. Sorry for the inventory confusion. (It's a rustic drinkerie - I'll see you there;-) )

neutral  cc in nyc: never heard this in the USA, not even once // OK, I've seen it now. But is the eaterie closed too? (I'm just kidding too)
2 hrs
  -> Thanks cc. I assure you, this term is common in the USA (see the last line of this page http://www.travelzoo.com/hotels/los-angeles/941937/) // (Sorry, too late - we've drunk the place drie!)

neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: don't think this works for UK. Yeah, suffering effects of drinkerie myself:-)
5 hrs
  -> Thanks gallagy, but having worked in hotel revenue management for a number of years, I can assure you that the term is widely used in the UK
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22 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
during hotel closure


Explanation:
I think they mean when the hotel is closed for rest periods (as many hotels do for maintenance, refurbishments, off-season) etc.

Example sentence(s):
  • Hotel Closure April 17 - May 1, 2011

    Reference: http://www.starwoodhotels.com/fourpoints/property/overview/i...
Nicky La Touche
Local time: 15:29
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  cc in nyc: possible, but I suspect they mean the discounted rate is not available during busy periods (for example, holiday weekends)
2 hrs

neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: don't think hotel is closed
4 hrs
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18 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
excluded periods


Explanation:
see explanation given by jeux de mots

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Note added at 55 mins (2011-01-07 14:20:29 GMT)
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'exempted period' would be an alternative

kostan
Austria
Local time: 15:29
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thank you very much. In the end I decided on this answer.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  AllegroTrans: "excluded" doesn't convey "closed" (fermeture) // OK it could work- I will post an "agree"
20 mins
  -> this has nothing to do with 'closed" as implied by you. Fermee here refers to periods during which no bookings for this particular offer are accepted

agree  philgoddard: I think this is the best answer for the UK.
54 mins

neutral  Sarah Bessioud: Sorry, but I have never heard this expression used in this context.
2 hrs
  -> c'est la vie

agree  Yvonne Gallagher: best for UK
4 hrs
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17 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
after the expired period


Explanation:
Meaning after the offer has expired, I believe.
"Hors périodes de fermeture à la vente". Hors (les) périodes au delà de la date de validité

axies
Australia
Local time: 00:59
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  cc in nyc: Then why the plural "périodes"?
7 hrs
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21 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
blackout periods


Explanation:
The temporary period during which access is limited or denied.

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NB: USA English spoken here.

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Note added at 7 hrs (2011-01-07 21:06:16 GMT)
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Here's a surprise: I found blackout dates in The Times of London:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/sitesearch.do?querystri...

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The following is from the online dictionary.com definition of blackout:

8. a period during which a special sales offer, fare rate, or other bargain is not available: The airline's discount on fares does not apply during the Christmas week blackout.</>
source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blackout


Example sentence(s):
  • The Marriott Hotel, Fullerton will offer CSUF employees and CSUF guests a discount off standard corporate rates based on the following room rate schedule below (subject to blackout periods)...

    Reference: http://finance.fullerton.edu/Services/OnCampusInterviews/Rat...
cc in nyc
Local time: 10:29
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  AllegroTrans: not used in UK - suggests a power blackout in my mind
11 mins
  -> Oops! But yes, my English is USA English (as "in nyc"). Thank your for your comment.

agree  philgoddard: OK for US use.
49 mins
  -> Thank you for your comment. Yes, I speak fluent US American.

agree  Sarah Puchner: Definitely right for US. British Airways uses it as two words , "black out," see "flight + hotel terms & conditions, number 6:http://www.britishairways.com/travel/europe-on-sale/public/e...
3 hrs
  -> Thank you for your comment and for the British Airway link.

disagree  Yvonne Gallagher: definitely not for UK. As AT says, involves power cuts
4 hrs
  -> Well, don't tell The Times of London. But even if that were the case, I'm not sure that blackout periods / blackout dates should be discounted completely.

agree  cmwilliams (X): yes, used by major hotel chains - also in UK.
10 hrs
  -> Thank you for your comment... from the UK.

agree  Sonia Geerlings: the standard term I have come across in my travels
16 hrs
  -> Thank you for your comment... from Australia.
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1 day 50 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
temporary unavailability


Explanation:
Given the vagueness of the original, this is what I would use as a rather safer bet

AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
Local time: 14:29
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 27

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  cc in nyc: Mission accomplished: this sounds very vague. But it doesn't even sound date-driven like périodes.
42 mins
  -> thanks!
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Reference comments


10 hrs peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: Blackout periods

Reference information:
Offer not valid at Hyatt Place or Hyatt Summerfield Suites. ... Promotional blackout periods may apply due to seasonal periods or special events, ...
birmingham.regency.hyatt.co.uk/.../hotels/offers/details.jsp?specialOfferId...

Blackout dates and other restrictions may apply • Offer not applicable to groups .... Offer is valid at participating Starwood Hotels & Resorts in Europe, ...
www.turnberryresort.co.uk/terms-and-conditions

Offer does not apply to groups of 10 or more rooms. Blackout dates may apply. Offer is on Stay for Breakfast ™ rates at select Marriott Hotels; Resorts, ...
www.marriott.co.uk/hotels/hotel.../brsdt-bristol-marriott-h...

Package is not valid with groups/conventions and may not be combined with ... Promotional blackout periods may apply due to seasonal periods or special ...
www.london.churchill.hyatt.com/.../hotels/offers/details.js...



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Blackout Periods Days or periods of high demand when special rates are not in .... The United Kingdom Tourism Survey (UKTS) is a national consumer survey ...
www.infomat.net/offsite/barrhead_travel/glossary.asp

blackout dates: certain dates (usually holidays) when special rates/fares are not allowed. .....
www.witiger.com/marketing/tourismglossary80pages.htm



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Black out dates may apply. Black out dates refers to key dates in hotels where the offer may not be available. Not valid in conjunction with any other offer ...
www.expressglasgowairport.co.uk/.../option.../task,offerdet...

... terms and conditions; Service is not included; This offer is not available from 24th December 2010 until 1st January 2011; Black out dates may apply ...
www.summerlodgehotel.co.uk/promotions/terms-and-conditions

cmwilliams (X)
United Kingdom
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 20

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  cc in nyc: Thank you kindly for posting this.
4 mins
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