brasserie rustique

English translation: rustic or traditional tavern

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French term or phrase:brasserie rustique
English translation:rustic or traditional tavern
Entered by: AllegroTrans

13:18 Jan 6, 2011
French to English translations [PRO]
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French term or phrase: brasserie rustique
Translating a tourist article which talks about "brasseries rustiques", alongside cafés and bars. Given thatin this case they are in a city in Germany, I didn't feel that "country (or rustic) brasserie" fitted the bill. Is it a technical term, or does it have something to do with brewing ...? If anyone knows, I should be very grateful!
Sheena Currie
France
Local time: 18:18
rustic or traditional German tavern
Explanation:
another option if you want to avoid the rather English word "pub"

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Collins FR-EN
brasserie
(a) (café) - pub (Brit.), bar (US)
(b) brewery, brewing industry
Given asker's context this is surely (a)
Selected response from:

AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:18
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Summary of answers provided
4 +4rustic or traditional German tavern
AllegroTrans
4Brew Pub
Colin Morley (X)
3 +1rustic pub
Trudy Peters
5 -1Traditional (or Rustic) French-style brasserie
Yvonne Gallagher
4traditional brasserie
Sheila Wilson
3 -2traditional brewery
Sarah Bessioud
4 -4micro brewery
jmleger
3 -3Country-style Eaterie
Andrew Bramhall
3 -3restaurant famous for its beer from rural breweries
Ellen Kraus
Summary of reference entries provided
example of similar context
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Discussion entries: 17





  

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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -4
micro brewery


Explanation:
c'est le terme usité aux States

jmleger
Local time: 12:18
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Laurel Clausen: "Micro-brewery" désigne nécéssairement une petite entreprise qui produit des bières (avec ou sans restauration) ; ici il s'agit de restauration mais sans le brassage de bière
3 mins

neutral  Richard Hedger: micro breweries and rustic pubs are not mutually dependent. Micro brewery just means the beer is made on the pub premises, right?
4 mins

disagree  AllegroTrans: The term refers to a pub; a micro-brewery is something else entirely, and certainly not necessarily on the pub premises
7 mins

disagree  Yvonne Gallagher: not equivalent at all to "rustic", agree Laurel and AT, and in cities as well
1 hr

disagree  cc in nyc: IMO, the expression "brasseries rustiques" is used in this context to define an establishment that is mainly a restaurant, not a brewery.
2 hrs
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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -3
Country-style Eaterie


Explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasserie

Cirencester Restaurant – Selection of Restaurants in Cirencester 3 Jan 2010 ... Many country-style eateries take great pride in concocting both traditional and contemporary food. Of course, there is a variety of cuisines ...
www.cirencesterrestaurant.co.uk/ - Cached - Similar

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I think the word 'brasserie' , meaning both brewery and restaurant, goes back to the days when hostelries brewed their own beer, rather than buying it in from elsewhere.

Andrew Bramhall
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:18
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  AllegroTrans: a brasserie is a "pub" and at the most, a café - see Collins FR-EN; your ref. only shows that there is such an "eatery" in rural Gloucestershire!
5 mins
  -> Well, well done for knowing that Cirencester is in Gloucestershire, you're right at least about that.

disagree  philgoddard: I don't see how even the freest of translations could turn "brasserie" into "eatery". Sorry, "eaterie"
1 hr
  -> And therein lies your problem.

disagree  Yvonne Gallagher: with AT and Phil, your 10 min note correct but left as "brasserie"
1 hr
  -> whatever mate
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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -2
traditional brewery


Explanation:
I would guess that they mean a typical German "brauerei" or traditional brewery, which are often found in German cities. They often serve food alongside the home-brewed beer, as well as other beers in most cases. If you feel that you need something else to describe the fact that this brasserie actually serves beer and food as well, then perhaps traditional brewery and pub/beer hall.

http://www.360travelguide.com/360VirtualTour.asp?iCode=col11

(Turn the sound up for this one!!)
http://www.erdinger.de/age.php?r=L2VuL2NvbXBhbnkvYnJld2VyeS5...

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"Traditional German brewery" immediately evokes images of dark wood interiors, smoked glass windows, solid wooden tables and Dirndl-clad women carrying litres of beer to drunken patrons. OK, this may be an exagerated stereotype, but we frequent these places regularly and it's not too far from the truth...

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http://www.thetraveleditor.com/article/6435/Feature_Article_...

After all the excitement of watching the race and going around the theme park we needed some refuelling and made tracks to the Brauhaus, one of the restaurants in the Eifeldorf Grune Holle area near the track. Decked out like a traditional German brewery it serves hearty fare to satisfy the biggest appetite

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,297825,00.html
A Brauhaus is a traditional German brewery with its own pub attached. Two of the best-known Brauhäuser in Germany are the "Hofbräuhaus" in Munich and the "Brauhaus Früh" in Cologne.

Sarah Bessioud
Germany
Local time: 18:18
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  AllegroTrans: it's not a brewery, it's a pub or a tavern// yes, it's also a brewery (alternative meeting) but in asker's text it is "alongside" cafés and bars and it's also "rustic"
10 mins
  -> Thanks Allegro, but by definition "brasserie" is where beer is brewed (http://www.mediadico.com/dictionnaire/definition/brasserie/1... and the fact that it is a brewery does not exclude the fact that it serves beer and food

disagree  Yvonne Gallagher: "rustic" and "city" don't collocate. Also you're describing a "micro-brewery"//the point is they're called "microbrewery" in English
2 hrs
  -> Thanks Gallagy, but I have to disagree. There are many rustic breweries here in German cities - there are some right on my doorstep ;-)

disagree  cc in nyc: The mediadico contains two definitions; the second one seems closer to this context. // Perhaps because its layout and decor are more like a brasserie than a bar or cafe. And attention ! we don't know how it's listed in the original French
2 hrs
  -> Thanks cc. Why then, is it not listed as a café or bar, but "alongside cafés and bars", which would imply that it is something different?//You're right, we're all in the dark. It's just educated guesswork if no further input is provided from the Asker

agree  Andrew Bramhall: In essence you are right; traditionally, a 'Brasserie' was where beer was brewed, and only in the modern age did they become better known for offering various types of foods/menus.
3 hrs
  -> Thank you Oliver
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22 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Brew Pub


Explanation:
Brew pub (although in my opinion a little clumsy) is a term used by CAMRA to describe a pub which brews its own beer. It may or may not have food - although these days it's hard to find any pub in Britain that doesn't serve food. Micro Brewery has a different meaning in UK See CAMRA web reference below


    Reference: http://www.camra.org.uk/page.aspx?o=326371
Colin Morley (X)
France
Local time: 18:18
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  AllegroTrans: how can you show that a "brasserie" (there are millions of them all over France & Germany) brews its own beer?
4 mins
  -> I was going by the context given by the asker

neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: not a good equivalent and not certain it brews at all
1 hr
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22 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
rustic or traditional German tavern


Explanation:
another option if you want to avoid the rather English word "pub"

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Collins FR-EN
brasserie
(a) (café) - pub (Brit.), bar (US)
(b) brewery, brewing industry
Given asker's context this is surely (a)

AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:18
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 27

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ingeborg Gowans (X): that wouldbe my choice here, however it would have helped to see the original sentence:)
43 mins
  -> thanks, useful to have a contribution from a native German speaker

agree  philgoddard
51 mins
  -> thanks and Prost!

neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: rustic tavern OK but why include "German"?
2 hrs
  -> "German" admittedly not necessary (asker can choose if she wants to emphasise "German rusticity")

agree  cc in nyc: With or without "German"
3 hrs
  -> thanks

disagree  Andrew Bramhall: The meaning of rustic not understood or conveyed;then you go and claim German ownership of what is French cultural patrimony;I wouldn't touch this with a barge pole,regardless of what Collins says.
3 hrs
  -> so Collins should have said "eaterie" then? maybe you should write to the Editor

agree  Verginia Ophof
4 hrs
  -> thanks!

agree  Sonia Geerlings
1 day 16 hrs
  -> thanks!
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6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
rustic pub


Explanation:
I see nothing wrong with rustic. Gets lots of ghits :-)

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Pub is used in US English, too.

Trudy Peters
United States
Local time: 13:18
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  AllegroTrans
3 mins

agree  Richard Hedger
5 mins

disagree  Colin Morley (X): The term rustic is fine, but a rustic pub need not necessarily brew its own beer.
17 mins

neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: Not to do with brewing beer but with serving food
2 hrs

neutral  Andrew Bramhall: Yeah, you always get lots of g(h)its in rustic pubs(a bit like round here)
4 hrs
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -3
restaurant famous for its beer from rural breweries


Explanation:
or a restaurant that produces its own sort of beer in line with the recipe of rural brewers, such as e.g. in the following case;By beer alone. While combining a microbrewery with a restaurant is the most popular business model for Missouri's craft brewers to share their creations ...
www.ruralmissouri.org/10pages/10MarchCraftBeer.html

Ellen Kraus
Austria
Local time: 18:18
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 3

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Yvonne Gallagher: a title is needed and you're in Missouri!
11 mins

disagree  cc in nyc: "a restaurant famous..."? "beer from rural breweries"? Neither are in the French.
31 mins

disagree  AllegroTrans: dangerously over-interpreted
37 mins
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
Traditional (or Rustic) French-style brasserie


Explanation:
Brasserie 15 - Family Restaurant Castleknock French Style Cuisine ...Brasserie 15 is a French style family restaurant located in the heart of Castleknock, Dublin 15. We are open for food from 12.00pm to 10pm Monday to ...
www.brasserie15.com/ - Cached - Similar

Jobs French Style Brasserie Bristol, Work French Style Brasserie ...Executive Head Chef Upscale French Brasserie £60k-£65kc Stunning Brasserie-style restaurant in Mayfair is looking for a top flight Executive Head Chef. ...
www.njobs.org.uk/jobs-french-style-brasserie-bristol.html - Cached

Jobs French Style Brasserie, Work French Style Brasserie ...Executive Head Chef Upscale French Brasserie £60k-£65kc Stunning Brasserie ...
www.njobs.org.uk/jobs-french-style-brasserie.html - Cached
Show more results from njobs.org.ukGENERAL MANAGER - FRENCH STYLE BRASSERIE / RESTAURANT - OXFORD ...

12 Feb
2010 ... GENERAL MANAGER - FRENCH STYLE BRASSERIE / RESTAURANT - OXFORD. Salary: Up to £28000+ Bonus. Location: Job Reference: Totaljobs/VAC-10720 ...
www.totaljobs.com/.../GENERAL-MANAGER---FRENCH-STYLE-BRASSE... - Cached

GENERAL MANAGER - FRENCH STYLE BRASSERIE / RESTAURANT - LIVERPOOL ...12 Sep 2010 ... GENERAL MANAGER - FRENCH STYLE BRASSERIE / RESTAURANT - LIVERPOOL. Salary: Up to £27000+ Bonus. Location: Job Reference: Caterer/VAC-10740 ...
www.caterer.com/.../GENERAL-MANAGER---FRENCH-STYLE-BRASSERI...

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I decided to post my own answer in the end, the other option in English Is "BISTRO". Here are some in Germany:

Brasserie Sahi and other Unna, Germany Restaurant Reviews ...1 post - 1 author - Last post: 25 Nov 2007
The Brasserie Sahi is prominently located on the Market Square. It's kind of a French style brasserie with photos from France but the music ...
members.virtualtourist.com/m/39c41/323e/2/ - Cached

Brasserie Le Jardin, Stuttgart, Germany, French Restaurant Reviews ...... prepared in the French style and served in a distinctly French atmosphere. ... Click here to grab a badge or customized widget to promote Brasserie Le ...
www.nileguide.com › ... › Germany › The Neckar Valley › Stuttgart - Cached

BERLIN - Best German RestaurantsBrasserie am Gendarmenmarkt is a French style Brasserie located in the centre of Berlin, offering an exciting menu of both French and German cuisine ...
www.bestgermanrestaurants.co.uk/restaurants/locations/berli... - Cached


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try one of those links again

members.virtualtourist.com/m/39c41/323e/2/ - Cached

Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Local time: 17:18
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 10

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  AllegroTrans: Context doesn't suggest it's French style (it's only written in French after all)//and asker has already said she doesn't think "rustic brasserie" fits
4 mins
  -> imo it's the usual collocation when the word is kept in non-Francophone country, gets ghits, 182,000

disagree  cc in nyc: Wrong context: OK for German restaurants with "Brasserie" in name (as in your link) but here we're dealing with a general class of German eating place similar to what the French call "brasseries". // Disagree is what I meant, definitely.
1 hr
  -> so, what about the brasseries in German cities in links above? Anyway, shouldn't be "disagree"
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
traditional brasserie


Explanation:
Everyone is so concerned about whether beer is brewed on the premises but "brasserie" is used in both French and English to describe a place where alcohol (principally beers and wines) is sold and consumed, and often food, too, and the atmosphere is relaxed. See Google definitions in both languages.

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Until further context arrives as requested, I suppose we should assume that "traditional" here (seeing as it is in Germany) means "traditional German".

If that's right, the best translation may well be "traditional biergarten". The German word may not be used in French (I'm not sure) but it is definitely used in English. As it's in a city I'm supposing it to be mainly indoors - if it is mainly outdoors then "biergarten" would be more appropriate.

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Just read the drivel above :-) What I meant is that for a city it would probably be a "bierkeller", "biergarten" for the countryside - often the two are combined.

Sheila Wilson
Spain
Local time: 17:18
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 45

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  cc in nyc: IMO, "brasserie" works in English only if this is a French brasserie in Germany.
1 hr
  -> The probklem is, we don't know what they are, just that they're in Germany

neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: I'd include "French-style"
1 hr
  -> The probklem is, we don't know what they are, just that they're in Germany

neutral  AllegroTrans: it's written in French and located in Germany, so why "translate" to a French word?
1 hr
  -> I wasn't translating, I was leaving a term that exists in equally in source and target languages. My other option would be to "translate" to a German used that is commonly used in English - bierkeller
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Reference comments


11 mins peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: example of similar context

Reference information:
Hôtels à Brême, Allemagne à réserver en ligne
Des spécialités d´Allemagne du Nord attendent les clients dans la taverne-brasserie rustique Schuettinger où ils pourront savourer une bière brassée maison. ...
www.bedfinder.com/hotel_fr/Allemagne/Breme_Hotels

writeaway
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 32

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: but this link is for hotels!
3 hrs
neutral  AllegroTrans: ref. is a hotel so how does it help?
3 hrs
  -> so there is no such thing as a hotel with a Brauhouse or restaurant?????
agree  Barbara Wiebking: Schüttinger is indeed a brewery. Has been translated as "rustic tavern-brewery" before, cf.http://www.ramada.de/hotels/hotels_index_page_eng.php?hotel_...
6 hrs
neutral  cc in nyc: This is interesting for two reasons: 1/ This "tavern-brewery" is described as a "taverne-brasserie" in French. 2/ Although it is described to a French audience as a brasserie, German food is served, not French brasserie food.
1 day 11 hrs
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