académique

English translation: formal (rules)

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French term or phrase:	académique
English translation:	formal (rules)
Entered by:	Thomas Miles

14:45 Feb 12, 2020

French to English translations [PRO]
Sports / Fitness / Recreation / water polo

French term or phrase: académique

This is a fairly simple introduction to a range of water polo products. Some of the products are grouped into families depending on the player's level.

One distinction is between recreational/beginners and the next level up, referred to as "académique". The term is also found in "les règles académiques" and "ballons destinés à la pratique du Waterpolo académique".

Clearly "academic" is wrong. Could it be derived from the "académie" of the sport, as in its governing body? For the moment I am using a structure built on "conventional rules" to convey the notion of not just messing about in the water.

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Thomas Miles KudoZ activity Questions: 124 (8 open) (23 closed without grading) Answers: 121 France
Local time: 14:43

formal

Explanation:
I think your interpretation of it being a reference to a form of the sports governed by rules is probably right, and I think "formal" would work well for your different uses.
But I don't totally rule out the "school" possibility. My instinct says it's formal, rule-based practice rather than school practice from the context you give of the different levels.

Selected response from:

Philippa Smith
Local time: 14:43

Grading comment

As confirmed by client.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +2

school teams

Eliza Hall

2 +3

formal

Philippa Smith

secondary school (Brit.Engl.), high school (Am.Engl.)

Vittorio Ferretti

collegiate

mrrafe

Summary of reference entries provided

L'Académie des sports ?

B D Finch

Définition de académique dans ce contexte

mchd

Discussion entries: 8

Lara Barnett

United Kingdom

Competitive

13:45 Feb 13, 2020

This is more accurate in my opinion, i.e. competitions normally have rules, while anything academic-based will function according to such rules.

Wolf Draeger

South Africa

Competitive

11:37 Feb 13, 2020

I think the distinction you're looking for is fun vs competitive. Every sport or game has rules, the difference here rather seems to be playing water polo with your mates and taking part in serious competition.

Perhaps académique is used instead of de compétition/compétitif to refer to the regional and territorial structure of the sport (local, regional, national levels).

Lara Barnett

United Kingdom

@ Thomas

11:12 Feb 13, 2020

My immediate thought was that it had something to do with a training type of product. Could that be relevant?

Thomas Miles

France

ASKER

Dear all...

08:16 Feb 13, 2020

The client has confirmed that between our two main lines of enquiry, 'fait référence aux règles formelles' is the correct interpretation. I will therefore select a variant of Philippa's answer for the glossary, but as always I appreciate everyone's input.

Philippa Smith

@Thomas

21:06 Feb 12, 2020

I hadn't noticed your "De manière plus académique" example: for me that clearly says we're talking about formal/rules-based sport and that it's nothing to do with schools...

ph-b (X)

France

17:33 Feb 12, 2020

I thought at first they were referring to les académies, i.e. the education authorities that France is divided into (compétitions académiques do exist in that sense) but les règles académiques and pratique du Waterpolo académique make me agree with mchd in the ref. section: they probably mean sthg like "official waterpolo rules".

B D Finch

France

@Thomas

16:47 Feb 12, 2020

Could that just mean the schools' version of water-polo?

Thomas Miles

France

ASKER

15:42 Feb 12, 2020

Thank you all for your input, but I still have a feeling this is water polo according to the 'formal' rules, especially when we consider "De manière plus académique le Water-polo oppose deux équipes de 7 joueurs...".

Answers

14 mins confidence:

collegiate

Explanation:
The meaning is somewhat related, but "collegiate" may be unacceptable because there really is such a thing as collegiate water polo. Maybe "varsity" would be safer?

mrrafe
United States
Local time: 08:43
Native speaker of:

English

Notes to answerer

Asker: I see your angle. This leads me to consider 'competition-level'.

35 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

school teams

Explanation:
This is clearly referring to school teams, but it could mean high school, university, or both (which is why "collegiate" wouldn't work as a translation, unless we're sure from context that it only means one particular level of school).

ballons destinés à la pratique du Waterpolo académique > balls intended for use by school waterpolo teams

Eliza Hall
United States
Local time: 08:43
Native speaker of: English

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thank you for your input Eliza - I have had no choice but to submit a query to the client. Hopefully I will receive an answer which will enrich the glossary!

49 mins confidence:

secondary school (Brit.Engl.), high school (Am.Engl.)

Explanation:
see example in the link

https://lyc-marie-curie-echirolles.ent.auvergnerhonealpes.fr/la-vie-de-l-eleve/l-eps-au-lycee/le-lycee-est-champion-academique-de-water-polo

Vittorio Ferretti
Local time: 14:43
Native speaker of:

German

Notes to answerer

Asker: Grazie/Danke.

4 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

formal

Philippa Smith
Local time: 14:43
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 20

Grading comment

As confirmed by client.

Notes to answerer

Asker: Your answer is at least reassuring - I have submitted a query to the client proposing variations on 'formal rules' but requesting their confirmation.

Reference comments

34 mins

Reference: L'Académie des sports ?

Reference information:
L'Académie des sports est une institution française fondée en 1905 sous la présidence de Justinien Clary. Sur le modèle des autres académies françaises, ce collège de 50 membres réunit des personnalités afin de réfléchir aux enjeux du sport. C'est un organe consultatif qui se situe à Paris. L'Académie attribue également des récompenses. Ces dernières récompensent non seulement les sportifs français de haut niveau mais aussi les jeunes scolaires.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acad%C3%A9mie_des_sports

B D Finch
France
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 37

Note to reference poster

Asker: This is what I was thinking.

1 hr peer agreement (net): +3

Reference: Définition de académique dans ce contexte

Reference information:
https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/académique/33...

Qui ne s'écarte pas des règles et des usages traditionnellement admis dans certains milieux officiels ou littéraires : Employer un langage peu académique.

mchd
France
Native speaker of: French

Note to reference poster

Asker: Votre contribution est appréciée.

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