Creuset (catalyseur d\'innovation)

English translation: forging global etc.

12:48 Oct 14, 2016
French to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature / U.S. vs. UK Translation
French term or phrase: Creuset (catalyseur d\'innovation)
This isn't so much a translation as a search for a tag line for a brochure for a conference center that sponsors retreats for worldwide medical specialists, developers, product manufacturers, etc. where they exchange knowledge and information in the pursuit of infectious disease prevention. The request is: Nous cherchons à faire une signature qui évoque le creuset (sans pour autant écrire « melting pot) = ce lieu unique où les gens échangent et font progresser ensemble la santé mondiale…tout un programme.

The proposal is: "A crucible for global healthcare innovation"

In U.S. English, the term "crucible" can be used to indicate a "melting pot" of ideas, science, etc.. The question is whether or not "crucible" would make sense in the UK.

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English translation:forging global etc.
Explanation:
Nikki's reference made me think of this. Use a verb instead of searching for a noun.
"Forging global healthcare innovation" gives the idea of shaping (and combining) of d ideas
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katsy
Local time: 14:44
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Summary of answers provided
3 +3forging global etc.
katsy
4 +1cradle
Yvonne Gallagher
4crucible
philgoddard
3melting-pot
Tony M
Summary of reference entries provided
crucible - UK example of usage in similar context
Alison MacG
crucible
Nikki Scott-Despaigne

  

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14 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
creuset
melting-pot


Explanation:
Although it works equally weel as 'crucible' in AE and BE? I really don't think we'd use the formal technical term very much in this way.

I think the informal and more readily fiigurative term 'melting-pot' works better in both variants of EN — though I still feel the whole phrase could be re-worked to be better still...

Tony M
France
Local time: 14:44
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 128

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  philgoddard: They've said they don't want to use this, and crucible isn't a technical term.
1 hr
  -> Well, i'm sorry, but I think it is far more suitable, but would in any case favour re-writing the entire phrase, as I don't think the metaphor is really a good one here anyway. If you want to use the metaphor, I think "melting-pot" is the ONLY solution
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
crucible


Explanation:
It works perfectly well in both US and UK English (I'm British, by the way). It's a bit of a cliché, though.

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A situation of severe trial, or in which different elements interact, leading to the creation of something new.

‘Their relationship was forged in the crucible of war’
'The importance of family and peers, coupled with a supportive faculty and institutional climate, all combine in a higher education crucible to aid in the student's achievement.’
http://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/crucible
‘As she is at pains to point out, there was no unhappy childhood to avenge; no traumas to shove into the creative crucible.’


    Reference: http://www.google.com/search?q=crucible+innovation&ie=utf-8&...
philgoddard
United States
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 16

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Tony M: I agree about the cliché! It works well in the specific examples you quote, but I don't think it works well here with 'innovation'; I'd rather see soemthing more along the lines of cradle / nursery (another cliché!) breeding / spawning ground, etc.
19 mins

neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: "retreat ...to exchange knowledge and information" is hardly a "crucible" or "hotbed"
1 hr
  -> See my comment to Nikki.

neutral  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: I would see why the client wld not want melting pot, partic. if FR as its use in FR is generally used to describe populations only. Besides, I think "creuset" has been used for a reason.//Sorry, changed mind. Good for term alone, but pref Katsy's in cntxt
2 hrs
  -> Yes, I think we should respect their choice, not tell them what they should have said. A crucible is a place where people bounce ideas off one another, and new and exciting things emerge.
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
cradle


Explanation:
is proably what I'd use with "innovation"

though "crucible" is OK too

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OOPS ...started writing my answer and was then interrupted...in the meantime Tony has made this suggestion in a comment..

Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Local time: 13:44
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 40

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tony M: Although it's another dreadul cliché, I still think this is preferable to the ponderous and to my mind pompous 'crucible'
39 mins
  -> Thanks Tony, I think "crucible" works well in some contexts but not here

neutral  philgoddard: I think this is too gentle. It suggests sleeping babies rather than hotbeds of technology. (Actually hotbed might be another possibility.)
1 hr
  -> not about "sleeping babies" but about nurturing innovation
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
forging global etc.


Explanation:
Nikki's reference made me think of this. Use a verb instead of searching for a noun.
"Forging global healthcare innovation" gives the idea of shaping (and combining) of d ideas

katsy
Local time: 14:44
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 15
Grading comment
"forging" innovation was selected as a possibility.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: Oo, I like this. "Forge", as in "fonte" from whic 'Le Creuset' makes its pots 'n' pans. And this suggestion actually accounts for the term in ts context, which I had actually zapped. Best solution!
8 mins
  -> Oh Nikki! Totally involuntary, but yes! (and thanks!) I thought of Le Creuset pans at first, but didn't make connection when I saw your ref. Teamwork nevertheless :-)

agree  B D Finch: Yes, this gives an idea of combined agency, effort and skill, which "crucible" or "melting pot" don't.
14 hrs
  -> Thanks BD :-)

agree  GILLES MEUNIER
4 days
  -> Thanks Gilou 😊
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Reference comments


2 hrs peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: crucible - UK example of usage in similar context

Reference information:
The Golden Jubilee Foundation
The Golden Jubilee Conference Hotel is a key element of the Golden Jubilee Foundation.
Our integrated approach, with a focus on continuous learning and strong links to academia and industry, creates a crucible for innovation and a vibrant network for the spread of learning and best practice.
A centre of excellence for international healthcare and medical conferences
Specialising in conferences, meetings and courses for clinicians, medical equipment providers and pharmaceutical companies, the Golden Jubilee Conference Hotel has a range of unique facilities for the healthcare sector ...
http://www.goldenjubileehotel.com/files/8414/5207/8357/GOLDE...

[Moving away from the crucible/melting pot image, the related concept of hub or innovation hub is also common in this context.]

Alison MacG
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  philgoddard
6 hrs
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3 hrs
Reference: crucible

Reference information:
Oxford Learner's Dico, not to be overlooked : http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english...
(formal or literary) a place or situation in which people or ideas are tested severely, often creating something new or exciting in the process
an alliance forged in the crucible of war
The Lake District in 1800 was the crucible of the new Romantic movement in English poetry.

Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16
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