manière de tenir dans le monde and Tenir au monde

09:15 Feb 1, 2016
French to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Philosophy
French term or phrase: manière de tenir dans le monde and Tenir au monde
This is expressed in a philosophical essay published in a philosophical journal. I have some alternative translations but not 100 percent happy with any of them. I wonder how would a native French translator familiar with philosophical texts translate these expressions.

Thanks

Vaik
Vaik Y.
Austria
Local time: 13:52


Summary of answers provided
3the manner of standing up to the world while standing up for the world
mariepascalew
3How to hold oneself in the word and (how to) hold onto the world
Lisa Jane
3how we grasp things in the world vs Holding fast to the world
B D Finch


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how we grasp things in the world vs Holding fast to the world


Explanation:
Having found Karsenti's essay, I think that the above might be a suitable translation. My interpretation (based, it is true, on a cursory reading) is that we grasp (apprehend, understand) things in the world and we hold fast to an understanding of the world.

"Cette relance, on peut immédiatement en livrer la formule : elle consiste dans le passage d’un discours sur la façon dont le monde tient, sur sa texture ramenée à sa facture, à son développement et à son maintien, à un discours sur la façon dont nous tenons au monde, c’est-à-dire dont nous devons y tenir. "

"Mais cette philosophie, axée sur la connaissance de soi et différenciée en cela de la connaissance tout cours, ne cesse pas pour cela de porter le sceau du rationalisme : ce à quoi elle s’attache au fond, c’est à décrire notre manière d’être effectivement rationnels, notre manière de tenir dans le monde auquel notre attention s’applique et dont nous ne cessons d’entretenir la composition réelle."
Linéaments pour une philosophie de l'attention
Bruno Karsenti


B D Finch
France
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Asker: I find your suggestion intriguing but it seems to me the expression "holding on the world" is appropriate in some respect, while in some other places it makes more sense to say "acting in the world" Vaik

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How to hold oneself in the word and (how to) hold onto the world


Explanation:
Not a native but this is how I read it.

Or 'the way to' instead of how to, depending on what precedes the sentence

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Note added at 7 hrs (2016-02-01 16:46:14 GMT)
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with hold onto the world it probably means our way of relating to the world in order to grasp its meaning and I too like my colleague B D Finch says read hold in the sense of grasp-make meaningful to us

tenir=hold=grasp=understand

I have not read Karsenti but much philosophical discussion has been produced on how one may do this through language by naming things and thus claiming them, grasping them

Lisa Jane
Italy
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the manner of standing up to the world while standing up for the world


Explanation:
a translation based on my interpretation of the concept: you have to fight the world to keep your stand while simultaneously caring for the world and standing up for it

mariepascalew
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