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à quelle histoire cela nous raccroche

English translation: what history is being conjured up here

09:44 Nov 4, 2014
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Philosophy
French term or phrase: à quelle histoire cela nous raccroche
From a text on divine knowledge in medieval Muslim philopsophy:

Pour Al-Ghazali., cette conception d’Avicenne apparaît comme une doctrine des « états » (aḥwāl, que j’avais noté à l’instant), et sa justification repose sur une certaine compréhension du rapport entre science et relation, c’est-à-dire, donc, appliquée à la science, sur une doctrine de la relation (iḍāfa).
Je m’explique. Une doctrine des états, d’abord. Il faut bien le dire (et il suffit de le dire pour entrevoir à quelle histoire cela nous raccroche). C’est le terme ḥāl, en effet, qui paraît à tous les étages de la structure triadique dont j’ai parlé.
tatyana000
Local time: 03:35
English translation:what history is being conjured up here
Explanation:
"nous" is not necessarily to be translated in a presentation of this kind. It does not refer to any collective subject within the narrative but is a mere "artifice de langage", common in ex cathedra lectures given in French and denoting "me the speaker together with you the audience".

It abounds in Deleuze's lectures and seminar proceedings, for instance (often under the guise of "on").

The fragments from this paper we are being submitted indicate the script of an oral presentation (ungrammatical sentences, disrupted and/or irregular punctuation, etc.) which supports this reading of "nous".

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Francis Marche
France
Local time: 03:35
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Thank you!
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2what history is being conjured up here
Francis Marche
2what history this connects us to
mill2
3 -2to which story this clings us
Traductrice PRO
1the link to our (own) history
cjohnstone


  

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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -2
to which story this clings us


Explanation:
A suggestion.

Traductrice PRO
Canada
Local time: 21:35
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  writeaway: I don't think someone can be clinged to something
17 mins
disagree  mill2: not English
26 mins
disagree  B D Finch: Though the individual words are English, the syntax isn't!
14 hrs
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34 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
what history this connects us to


Explanation:
just to get the ball rolling

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5
the link to our (own) history


Explanation:
pour tenter d'alléger mais juste idée pour que les autres trouvent mieux

cjohnstone
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15 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
what history is being conjured up here


Explanation:
"nous" is not necessarily to be translated in a presentation of this kind. It does not refer to any collective subject within the narrative but is a mere "artifice de langage", common in ex cathedra lectures given in French and denoting "me the speaker together with you the audience".

It abounds in Deleuze's lectures and seminar proceedings, for instance (often under the guise of "on").

The fragments from this paper we are being submitted indicate the script of an oral presentation (ungrammatical sentences, disrupted and/or irregular punctuation, etc.) which supports this reading of "nous".



Francis Marche
France
Local time: 03:35
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 32
Grading comment
Thank you!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Philippa Smith: a nice choice of verb!
5 hrs
agree  GILLES MEUNIER
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