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cordifole

English translation: salad purslane

22:38 Aug 3, 2005
French to English translations [PRO]
Nutrition / edible plant
French term or phrase: cordifole
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La Ficoïde glaciale, surprenante salade à l'état sauvage en bord de mer, se protège de l'effet desséchant des embruns en couvrant ses feuilles et ses tiges de petites vésicules gorgées d'eau salée qui brillent au soleil, donnant l'impression de milliers de cristaux de glace.
Sa saveur acide et sa texture ferme en font une salade très prisée et surtout très rafraîchissante.
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***La Cordifole***, aux feuilles grasses, à saveur acide et légèrement citronnée possède de réelles qualités rafraîchissantes.
Elle peut aussi être poêlée et servie en accompagnement de coquilles Saint-Jacques par exemple.
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La Corne de cerf, appelée également "pied de corbeau" ou "pied de corneille", est cultivée pour ses feuilles longues et étroites, charnues et très découpées.


Here is a photo of this plant:

http://www.oakleaf-european.co.uk/gallery/640/Cordifole640.j...

I am not sure what this is called in English and cannot find the scientific name either.

On this website, they simply call it 'cordifole' in English:

http://www.oakleaf-european.co.uk/gallery.htm

But I am not sure if this is correct.

Many thanks in advance!



Sheila
Sheila Hardie
Spain
Local time: 02:54
English translation:salad purslane
Explanation:
Rachel's 'claytonia' set me thinking, and I remembered having come across this in a translation I did long ago. Here's what NS OED has to say about it (note: 'succulent' and 'grown as salad')

purslane
1 A low succulent plant, Portulaca oleracea (family Portulacaceae), widely grown, chiefly in warmer countries, as a salad or pot-herb. Also (w. specifying wd), any of various other plants of this genus.


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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs 25 mins (2005-08-05 06:03:52 GMT)
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Well, it was a nice idea whil it lasted!

Sadly, this very comprehensive ref. includes an image that belies my idea, since it is clearly not the same thing at all --- though I think we might be getting closer! At least we have \'succulent\' [feuilles grasses] and used as a salad...

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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs 27 mins (2005-08-05 06:05:58 GMT)
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Sorry, missed out the ref.

http://2bnthewild.com/plants/H186.htm



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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs 31 mins (2005-08-05 06:10:03 GMT)
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Well, this link has a picture which does at least bear some resemblance to the one in Asker\'s link, suggesting it might be Miner\'s lettuce, or possibly Golden Purslane (though no pic. for the latter)

http://www.koanga.co.nz/pages/portulacacae.html

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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs 37 mins (2005-08-05 06:15:33 GMT)
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The middle larger picture on this page seems clearer:
http://www.calflora.net/bloomingplants/minerslettuce.html

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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs 42 mins (2005-08-05 06:20:37 GMT)
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miner\'s lettuce, a kind of spring beauty, also called montia perf.

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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs 51 mins (2005-08-05 06:29:43 GMT)
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Ah, at last i think I\'ve found it!

heartleaf spring beauty, Claytonia cordifolia

see this ref. for a picture and description:

http://www.larkspurbooks.com/Portul2.html

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Note added at 1 day 8 hrs 32 mins (2005-08-05 07:11:01 GMT)
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Here\'s a clear description and photo:

http://www.cwnp.org/photopgs/cdoc/clcordifolia.html


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Note added at 1 day 8 hrs 42 mins (2005-08-05 07:20:43 GMT)
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Also apparently known as \'broadleaf spring beauty\' or \'broadleaf montia\'

(I found a mention of miner\'s lettuce = indian lettuce, but clearly we now know this is not the same plant...)

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Note added at 1 day 8 hrs 51 mins (2005-08-05 07:30:04 GMT)
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BTW, I think that \'Herbstblattsalat\' may be a mistake for \'Herzblatt...\', as I\'ve not been able to find a single other reference to this term in German... (whereas there are several for \'Herzblatt...\')

As Michele says, identifying plants by their leaves alone is very difficult. However, please note that Cl. cord. is often illustrated using the flowers alone, and it is ONLY the flowers that have that \'joined up\' (perfoliate) leaf, the lower leaves are NOT a bit like that (as explained in several of the descriptions) --- so the images of the flowers alone are a bit misleading, but the images showing the lower leaves are more convincing, and certainly the closest I\'ve found to the ones in Sheila\'s link...
Selected response from:

Tony M
France
Local time: 02:54
Grading comment
Sorry to take so long to grade this question. To be honest, I am still not 100% sure of the answer. I asked the client and in the end they want to use 'heartleaf spring beauty', so I'll go along with that for the moment. I'm not going to enter it in the glossary though, since I'm not certain. One day I hope to find out what this is for sure. Maybe I'll find out the next time I'm in France! In any case, thank you all so much for your help - I wish I could divide out the points!


Sheila
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4oakleaf
Elizabeth Lyons
3cordifolia
Gina W
4 -1cordifole
Michele Fauble
3claytonia
Rachel Fell
1salad purslane
Tony M


Discussion entries: 12





  

Answers


33 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
cordifolia


Explanation:
That would be my guess.


    Reference: http://www.winternet.com/~chuckg/dictionary/dictionary.79.ht...
Gina W
United States
Local time: 20:54
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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33 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
oakleaf


Explanation:
Your question puzzles me. In the US it would be called simply "oakleaf". What name are you looking for? Maybe I am just being dense here.

There are dozens of websites with pix and explanations.

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Note added at 1 hr 54 mins (2005-08-04 00:32:11 GMT)
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MBG Kemper Center PlantFinder
... canadensis - Bloodroot Sanguisorba minor - Salad burnet Sanguisorba ... Tiarella cordifolia -
Foamflower Tiarella cordifolia \'Oakleaf\' - Foamflower Tiarella \'Cygnet ...
www.mobot.org/gardeninghelp/ plantfinder/Alpha.asp?start=S&end=Z - 98k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

[PDF] plant list.doc
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
Solenostemon x \'Cranberry Salad\'. Solenostemon x \'Daredevil\' ... Tiarella
cordifolia \'Oakleaf\'. Tiarella wherryi. Tigridia pavonia. Tithonia rotundifolia ...
www.horticopia.com/pdf/armitage.pdf - Similar pages

SEEDS TRUST, High Altitude Gardens 2002 Seed Price List Updated 8 ...
Matures: 75 Days $1.45 24104 MACHE/CORN SALAD - Verte De Cambrai Net ... Matures:
46 Days $4.95 12204 LETTUCE, GREEN LEAF - Oakleaf* Net Weight: 1 g. ...
www.seedstrust.com/dload/pricelist.txt - 51k - Cached - Similar pages

[PDF] 03OrderForm org cat
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Cucumber salad and warm sunny days are synonymous. Although ... oakleaf*.
Loosefleaf. Originally, all lettuce produced oak-shaped leaves. ...
www.seedstrust.com/dload/organic.pdf - Similar pages


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Note added at 22 hrs 37 mins (2005-08-04 21:15:49 GMT)
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Whatever the plant, and whatever its ultimate use: in the USA, it would be sold as oakleaf long before it would be marketed/sold as cordifole except to commercial growers/users. The majority of the American public will not embrace or eat something called \"Cordifole\" and marketers know this. Only a very small market can be found for products with arcane and esoteric names like that in a land where the majority eat at Burger King. Believe me, this is my field: brand image development.

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Note added at 22 hrs 39 mins (2005-08-04 21:17:38 GMT)
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I am happy for whomever to use the name cordifole. I just think if the term oakleaf is available for ANY edible plant by the name cordifole, the wise would choose it. : ) Cent\'anni!

Elizabeth Lyons
United States
Local time: 17:54
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Gina W: lol - it's the name of the site, too! I missed that.;)
14 mins
  -> Whew, I am glad you see my point. It is oakleaf salad I cannot imagine anyone serving cordifole salad ; ) Thank you!
neutral  Michele Fauble: It's called 'cordifole' in French, Spanish, German, Danish, Norwegian, and Dutch, and in English by the produce sellers Oakleaf European Ltd.
27 mins
  -> SEE MY COMMENT ABOVE : )
disagree  Tony M: Sorry, Elizabeth, but from this image (amongst others), I think it is fairly clear that Tiarella c. is NOT the same plant: cricket.biol.sc.edu/.../ Tiarella_cordi / But I do agree, we don't seem to use 'cordifole' in English (at least, not in NS OED!)
8 hrs
  -> See my final comment above. That is my point and I am happy to have others choose the word cordifole. : )
neutral  David Sirett: Why puzzled? Your references give no indication that cordifole = feuille de chêne = oakleaf lettuce //Why should the asker think that cordifole = oakleaf lettuce? What makes you think that - do you recognize it in the picture?
8 hrs
  -> Puzzled because the asker had the answer already. It's common name is not cordifole, that was my only point. Thanks for your comment : )
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1 day 7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5
salad purslane


Explanation:
Rachel's 'claytonia' set me thinking, and I remembered having come across this in a translation I did long ago. Here's what NS OED has to say about it (note: 'succulent' and 'grown as salad')

purslane
1 A low succulent plant, Portulaca oleracea (family Portulacaceae), widely grown, chiefly in warmer countries, as a salad or pot-herb. Also (w. specifying wd), any of various other plants of this genus.


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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs 25 mins (2005-08-05 06:03:52 GMT)
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Well, it was a nice idea whil it lasted!

Sadly, this very comprehensive ref. includes an image that belies my idea, since it is clearly not the same thing at all --- though I think we might be getting closer! At least we have \'succulent\' [feuilles grasses] and used as a salad...

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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs 27 mins (2005-08-05 06:05:58 GMT)
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Sorry, missed out the ref.

http://2bnthewild.com/plants/H186.htm



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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs 31 mins (2005-08-05 06:10:03 GMT)
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Well, this link has a picture which does at least bear some resemblance to the one in Asker\'s link, suggesting it might be Miner\'s lettuce, or possibly Golden Purslane (though no pic. for the latter)

http://www.koanga.co.nz/pages/portulacacae.html

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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs 37 mins (2005-08-05 06:15:33 GMT)
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The middle larger picture on this page seems clearer:
http://www.calflora.net/bloomingplants/minerslettuce.html

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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs 42 mins (2005-08-05 06:20:37 GMT)
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miner\'s lettuce, a kind of spring beauty, also called montia perf.

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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs 51 mins (2005-08-05 06:29:43 GMT)
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Ah, at last i think I\'ve found it!

heartleaf spring beauty, Claytonia cordifolia

see this ref. for a picture and description:

http://www.larkspurbooks.com/Portul2.html

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Note added at 1 day 8 hrs 32 mins (2005-08-05 07:11:01 GMT)
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Here\'s a clear description and photo:

http://www.cwnp.org/photopgs/cdoc/clcordifolia.html


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Note added at 1 day 8 hrs 42 mins (2005-08-05 07:20:43 GMT)
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Also apparently known as \'broadleaf spring beauty\' or \'broadleaf montia\'

(I found a mention of miner\'s lettuce = indian lettuce, but clearly we now know this is not the same plant...)

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Note added at 1 day 8 hrs 51 mins (2005-08-05 07:30:04 GMT)
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BTW, I think that \'Herbstblattsalat\' may be a mistake for \'Herzblatt...\', as I\'ve not been able to find a single other reference to this term in German... (whereas there are several for \'Herzblatt...\')

As Michele says, identifying plants by their leaves alone is very difficult. However, please note that Cl. cord. is often illustrated using the flowers alone, and it is ONLY the flowers that have that \'joined up\' (perfoliate) leaf, the lower leaves are NOT a bit like that (as explained in several of the descriptions) --- so the images of the flowers alone are a bit misleading, but the images showing the lower leaves are more convincing, and certainly the closest I\'ve found to the ones in Sheila\'s link...

Tony M
France
Local time: 02:54
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
Sorry to take so long to grade this question. To be honest, I am still not 100% sure of the answer. I asked the client and in the end they want to use 'heartleaf spring beauty', so I'll go along with that for the moment. I'm not going to enter it in the glossary though, since I'm not certain. One day I hope to find out what this is for sure. Maybe I'll find out the next time I'm in France! In any case, thank you all so much for your help - I wish I could divide out the points!


Sheila

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Michele Fauble: I considered 'Claytonia cordifolia' too, but being native to the US, would it be so much more common in European salads? It is very difficult to positively identify plants from pictures of their leaves. 'Purslane' could be an acceptable generic term.
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Michele! From my research, it seems it is at least cultivated, if not native, in Europe too; as you say, I believe 'purslane' would be the safest (and most appealing!) term to use...
neutral  Rachel Fell: Hello Dusty: just wanted to point out that the pics.and description you added were those I'd supplied the day before! :-))
24 days
  -> Thanks, Rachel! Apologies for not having read the added parts of your answer more thoroughly before posting my own :-)
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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
cordifole


Explanation:
It would seem from the UK link you provided that it is called 'cordifole'in English.

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Note added at 22 hrs 13 mins (2005-08-04 20:51:52 GMT)
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Based on my internet research, it is called \'\'cordifole\' in French, Spanish, German, and Danish. I\'d still go for \'cordifole\' in English too, since that is what it is called by the sellers (who I\'d expect to be knowledgeable) on the only site in English that seems to mention it.

I\'d be very interested in finding out the species name.


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Note added at 22 hrs 17 mins (2005-08-04 20:55:15 GMT)
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\'Cordifole\' also in Norwegian

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Note added at 22 hrs 18 mins (2005-08-04 20:56:19 GMT)
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And Dutch.

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Note added at 1 day 8 hrs 54 mins (2005-08-05 07:32:40 GMT)
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Munster, cordifole with confit of water melon;
www.santpau.jp/english/degustaction.html

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Note added at 1 day 8 hrs 56 mins (2005-08-05 07:34:47 GMT)
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Munster, cordifole with confit of water melon;
www.santpau.jp/english/degustaction.html

Michele Fauble
United States
Local time: 17:54
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Tony M: I agree that this is the name for it in all these foreign languages, but I'm far from convinced we use this word in English; it may be that it simply doesn't have an English name... // Indeed... HOWEVER, do look at my answer, and what I've found...
1 day 7 hrs
  -> I think you're right that it doesn't have an English name, and I think that the produce sellers have given it the name 'cordifole' as in French (it wouldn't be the first time we borrowed a name from French!).
disagree  Mary TISSOT: https://diggersgardenclub.com.au/pc-517-13-baby-sun-rose.asp...
2014 days
  -> Interesting that from all the "wrong" answers you chose to give me a disagree. Google flags your reference as an untrusted site, so I did not go there. Well, thanks anyway for taking the time to let me know you disagree.
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14 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
claytonia


Explanation:
I think - more + links shortly!

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Note added at 15 hrs 2 mins (2005-08-04 13:40:40 GMT)
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http://www.cwnp.org/photopgs/cdoc/clcordifolia.html
http://www.larkspurbooks.com/Portul2.html
I think it may be Claytonia cordifolia - claytonia is a salad plant, but there a several varieties of it, many known as purslane (e.g. sea purslane - though more than one type of plant seems to go by this name), so they may call it \"cordifole\", possibly referring to other claytonia or purslane varieties. Claytonia is the old generic name for purslane according to the Oxford Companion to Food.
Quite attractive plants, too; flavour is sharpish.


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Note added at 1 day 12 hrs 0 min (2005-08-05 10:38:24 GMT)
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Joy Larkcom (herb and salad plant grower)says Claytonia is the winter purslane, the summer ones are green or golden purslane; they\'re all part of the same family and the naming of them is sometimes confused (e.g. various species get called \"miner\'s lettuce\") - they\'re also known as Montia varieties. As common/green purslane is Portulaca oleracea, it suggests \"feuilles grasses\", though I\'m still looking into the definitive \"cordifole\" one!

Rachel Fell
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:54
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Tony M: Nice suggestion! I thought 'purslane' was getting pretty close, but looking at your images, they don't seem to resemble the image in Asker's link very much... // Cl. perfoliata, however, is very similar!
16 hrs
  -> I've only been able to see one of the pics. in Asker's links (tech. reasons of the moment) but said "purslane" when I first saw it! I thought Claytonia was the more commonly known name, as various purslane memebers are used as salad plants.
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