postérieur médian.

English translation: in the posterior midline region

12:13 Jul 1, 2020

French to English translations [PRO]
Medical - Medical (general) / Unexpected manifestation

French term or phrase: postérieur médian.

Context:
Elle est tout de même ennuyée par la survenue le lendemain de l’intervention d’un bruit pulsatif plutôt postérieur médian.

patient has undergone surgery for aneurysm of the right carotid siphon.

The operation went well but patient heard this noise after coming round from anesthetic.

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English translation:in the posterior midline region

Explanation:
médian = median or midline

medial is a relative term (with lateral) which means more towards the midline eg medial surface of the arm as opposed to lateral

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the medial posterior choroidal artery is a small artery within the brain itself, which arises from the posterior cerebral artery, and is therefore supplied by the posterior route (vertebral/basilar arteries), not via the internal carotid artery which gives rise to the anterior and middle cerebral arteries

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https://www.google.com/search?q=medial posterior choroidal a...

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https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/median

median [me´de-an]
1. situated in the median plane or in the midline of a body or structure.

median (mē′dē-ən)
adj.
1. Relating to, located in, or extending toward the middle.
2. Anatomy Of, relating to, or situated in or near the plane that divides a bilaterally symmetrical animal into right and left halves; mesial.

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Sue Davis
France
Local time: 02:41

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Summary of answers provided

4 +1

posteromedially/posteromedial aspect

liz askew

medial posterior

Drmanu49

in the posterior midline region

Sue Davis

5 -2

posterior median

Francois Boye

Discussion entries: 11

Sue Davis

France

06:33 Jul 6, 2020

I would finally add that in French, "medial" is most often "interne"

Sue Davis

France

08:01 Jul 2, 2020

@ François, regarding your refs, medial is not used in anatomy to indicate "middle". The medial border of the forearm for example, is that closest to the body in the anatomical position. The median nerve is so called because of its position in the middle of the forearm.

Sue Davis

France

07:57 Jul 2, 2020

I have a degree in anatomy and taught the subject to medical and dental students for some years. My problem is that median and medial have two distinct and precise meanings and they are not interchangeable. Unless there is an error in the source text I can see no alternative to "median" or "midline".

Bashiqa

France

ASKER

@ All

07:41 Jul 2, 2020

Thank you for your contributions. I am always grateful for input from colleagues who are prepared to give their time to solving problems. I`ve been present on Proz for 10 years or more and accept that others (including myself) do not always read the question before answering, and therefore make mistakes. Time to close question and move on.

SafeTex

France

@ Francois

07:36 Jul 2, 2020

Hello

Even if "median" is perhaps used in biology to mean "midline" and medial more generally as an adjective (it's not my speciality so don't hold me to this), the problem is that you clearly say the question is "statistical" and gave a statistical reference.

The asker has marked the question however as "medical" and the context speaks of a "patient" and "surgery".

Perhaps you should reconsider this before disagreeing with a medical translator???

Francois Boye

United States

23:52 Jul 1, 2020

medial (ˈmiːdɪəl) adj

1. of or situated in the middle
2. ordinary or average in size
3. (Mathematics) maths relating to an average
4. (Biology) another word for median1, median2, median3
5. (Statistics) another word for median1, median2, median3
6. (Zoology) zoology of or relating to a media

Source:The Free Dictionary

Daryo

United Kingdom

15:50 Jul 1, 2020

https://www.healthpages.org/anatomy-function/anatomy-terms/
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/ap1/chapter/anatomical-ter...
https://www.earthslab.com/anatomy/directional-terms-anatomic...
https://www.registerednursern.com/anatomical-position-direct...
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/ap1x94x1/chapter/anatomica...

liz askew

United Kingdom

12:52 Jul 1, 2020

Arteries of the Basal Ganglia and the Posterior Choroidal ...link.springer.com › content › pdf
from the posterior cerebral artery. Finally, the long cir- cumferential arteries are the ****posteromedial and postero- lateral choroidal arteries****. LAZORTHES and ...

liz askew

United Kingdom

12:50 Jul 1, 2020

Oh, here, look:
Untitled - site de l'association GENSassociation.gens.free.fr › NEUROLO...
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l'exploration des vaisseaux intracrâniens, est depuis quelques années ... artérioveineuses [MAV] et fistules artérioveineuses [FAV]), et des anévrismes intracrâniens. Ainsi, la ... au tronc artériel brachiocéphalique (TABC) à droite et à l'artère ... 7. artère cérébrale postérieure ; 8. ***artère choroïdienne postéromédiane****; 9. artère.

Bashiqa

France

ASKER

@ Liz

12:37 Jul 1, 2020

She was treated for an aneurysm of the right carotid siphon.
The aneurysm was treated via endovascular route with the placement of a xxxxxx stent in February 2020.
The patient is doing rather well.
.....
This manifestation is very unusual.
In general, it corresponds to either an arteriovenous fistula or a venous anomaly with venous dilation and turbulent flow.

liz askew

United Kingdom

12:34 Jul 1, 2020

One of the main problems I am having is finding your phrase in relation to the carotid arteries/carotid siphon:)

Answers

7 mins confidence:

medial posterior

Explanation:
Medial posterior choroidal artery | Radiology Reference Article ...
radiopaedia.org › articles › medial-p...
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The medial posterior choroidal artery is a small branch (often multiple - 40% of hemispheres) usually arising from the ... internal carotid artery (ICA) (segments)[+].

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The Netter Collection of Medical Illustrations: Nervous ...
books.google.fr › books
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MENINGES ARTERIES TO BRAIN AND Posterior cerebral artery Left middle ... of the internal carotid arteries within this curve is referred to as the carotid siphon.
H. Royden Jones, Jr. Jr., ‎Ted Burns, ‎Michael J. Aminoff - 2013 - ‎Medical

Drmanu49
France
Local time: 02:41
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

French
PRO pts in category: 5346

Notes to answerer

Asker: Looks to be a better suggestion than Liz. Thank you.

17 mins confidence:

in the posterior midline region

Sue Davis
France
Local time: 02:41
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 880

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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

disagree

Daryo: the "midline" is not a "region" - it's a plane (as per your own refs.) - the plane of symmetry of the human body

3 hrs

-> perhaps I could have phrased it better, but median is emphatically NOT medial. Perhaps in the region of the posterior midline/median plane

neutral

liz askew: Hello Sue, I certainly don't have your credentials in anatomy, but for the record I had a good search and came up with nothing for "posteromedian/posterior midline region" in relation to carotid siphon/bruits etc. I would not say you were wrong though!:)

23 hrs

-> I appreciate your diligence. Perhaps there is an error in the source text. My problem is that I don't think that because a term is not found that it is right to use another term which sounds similar but has an entirely different meaning.

agree

Anne Schulz: I agree, there is a difference between median and medial, and I think this is the case both in English and in French.

23 hrs

-> Thanks Anne! I am honestly amazed that anyone thinks median is the same as medial

17 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

posteromedially/posteromedial aspect

Explanation:

a coeur ouvert - Coeur de La Tour
www.coeurdelatour.ch › 2018/05

1.
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Choc de pointe latéralisé, bruits cardiaques bien frappés, présence d'un souffle ... Le lendemain de l'intervention, les CPK/CKMB s'élèvent jusqu'à 2007/261 U/l. ... rupture de cordages au niveau du feuillet postérieur de la valve (figure 2). ... ventricule gauche ou à rupture du pilier mitral (pilier postero-médian pour la plupart.
by T II - ‎Related articles

Ecocardiografia Clínica - Google Books Result
books.google.co.uk › books

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... anterolateral; CPM: comissura posteromedial; gvm: grande folheto mitral; pvm: pequeno folheto mitral; PPM: pilar posteromedial; PAL: pilar lateromedial.
Christophe Klimczak - 2018 - ‎Medical

A cadaveric study on variations in branching pattern of ... - NCBI
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › pmc › articles › PMC6318462

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29 Dec 2018 - The external carotid artery (ECA) and its branches serve as the major ... arteries were observed arising from the posteromedial aspect of ECA in ...
by D Devadas - ‎2018 - ‎Cited by 7 - ‎Related articles

External Carotid Artery - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics
www.sciencedirect.com › topics › neuroscience › external...

The procedure involves isolating the carotid artery by dissecting the neck along the ... (deep face), nasal cavity, palate, maxilla, and superior aspect of the pharynx. ... internal carotid artery, but as it ascends, it courses posteromedially to supply ...

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also:
DIAGNOSTIC ET TRAITEMENT DES FISTULES ... - EM consultewww.em-consulte.com › article
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Keywords: fistula , bruit , vertebral artery , endovascular therapy ... et prise en charge d'un souffle pulsatile temporo-occipital droit survenu dans les suites immédiates ... est anastomosée avec les sinus crâniens, la veine occipitale et la veine jugulaire postérieure. ... Technique chirurgicale ****par voie postérieure para-médiane***.

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Posterior Paramedian Approach to Ventrally Located Spinal ...www.researchgate.net › publication › 317763790_Posteri...
Request PDF | ***Posterior Paramedian Approach*** to Ventrally Located Spinal Meningioma | Background To approach a ventral spinal pathology, a lateral viewing ...

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Also, of interest:

Medial and lateral: Medial refers to being toward the midline of the body or the median plane, which splits the body, head-to-toe, into two halves, the left and right. Lateral is the side of the body or part of the body that is away from the middle.

liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:41
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 3189

Notes to answerer

Asker: I opted for the answer from Sue, and asked client for clarification/confirmation. Needless to say no feedback. Thank you for your help.

6 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -2

posterior median

Explanation:
Point estimates are typically obtained by computing the mean or median (or mode) of the posterior distribution. These are called the “posterior mean” or the “posterior median” (or “posterior mode”).

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posterior_probability

Francois Boye
United States
Local time: 20:41
Native speaker of:

French
PRO pts in category: 13

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thank you for effort, but this is a medical question.

Asker: For your info: Medial means toward the middle or center. It is the opposite of lateral. The term is used to describe general positions of body parts. For example, the chest is medial to the arm

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