ensemble verbal

English translation: verbal context

21:51 Oct 8, 2019
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Linguistics
French term or phrase: ensemble verbal
A text taken from the French Instructions Officielles (IPN, 1970), instructions for language teachers.

"La mémoire de l'enfant ne doit l'enregistrer qu'associé à l'objet qu'il désigne ou à l'image de ce dernier, ou incorporé à un ensemble verbal qui fait apparaitre son sens et sa nuance exacte."

My working translation:
The child’s memory must only record it in association with the object it designates or with the object’s image, or incorporated into a verbal set that makes clear its meaning and its exact nuance.

I am stumped by "ensemble verbal." I feel there must be a better equivalent than "verbal set." But I cannot find an equivalent of this phrase anywhere.
Patricia Phillips-Batoma
United States
Local time: 22:35
English translation:verbal context
Explanation:
In the sentence you cite, it sounds to me like the author is talking about a child demonstrating understanding of the meaning of a word or expression in context.
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Laura Nagle (X)
United States
Local time: 23:35
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Summary of answers provided
4 +5linguistic context
Michele Fauble
3 +3verbal context
Laura Nagle (X)
4 +1verbal whole
Tim Bayton
3together with related words
Wolf Draeger


Discussion entries: 13





  

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19 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
verbal context


Explanation:
In the sentence you cite, it sounds to me like the author is talking about a child demonstrating understanding of the meaning of a word or expression in context.


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18584419
    https://books.google.com/books?id=H17lah7gT1cC&pg=PT373&lpg=PT373&dq=%22use+the+word%22+%22verbal+context%22+%22child%22&source=bl&ots=O0EdF
Laura Nagle (X)
United States
Local time: 23:35
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you. I think this is something I could possibly use as an equivalent.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Elisabeth Richard: Not a native, so I don't feel confident enough to agree or disagree, but this seems like a good option to me.
10 hrs

agree  B D Finch
11 hrs

agree  Yvonne Gallagher
12 hrs

agree  philgoddard: "Linguistic" is fine too, but you were first.
16 hrs
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
linguistic context


Explanation:
Learning words from linguistic context.

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Note added at 7 hrs (2019-10-09 05:22:46 GMT)
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“In communication and composition, context refers to the words and sentences that surround any part of a discourse and that help to determine its meaning. Sometimes called linguistic context.”
https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-context-language-1689920


Michele Fauble
United States
Local time: 20:35
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: I definitely see your point, although "linguistic context" may mean too many other things.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Chakib Roula
2 hrs
  -> thanks

agree  B D Finch
4 hrs
  -> thanks

agree  writeaway
5 hrs
  -> thanks

agree  SafeTex
6 hrs
  -> thanks

agree  Melanie Kathan
7 hrs
  -> thanks

agree  Victoria Britten
8 hrs
  -> thanks

disagree  Daryo: "un ensemble verbal" might be seen as "having the useful effect of" providing context, but it's not "context" - it's simply "a [more or less structured] group of words"
14 hrs
  -> Linguistic context meaning the linguistic environment (grammar, words) in which a word is used.
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10 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
verbal whole


Explanation:
"The child's memory must register it only in relation to the object to which it refers or the image of the same, or incorpated into a spoken phrase that demonstrates its precise meaning and nuance."

Tim Bayton
Local time: 04:35
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Wolf Draeger: But rather "phrase" as in your excellent sentence, not "verbal whole".
2 hrs

neutral  B D Finch: An "ensemble verbal" could be either a phrase or a sentence. It could be either spoken or written.
2 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
together with related words


Explanation:
I like to keep things simple whenever possible, and since this doesn't seem to be a linguistics text, I don't think a technical term is necessary. In fact, when it comes to instructions, plain language is preferable.

But if you do need a term, then perhaps "collocation" will do as well.

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Note added at 11 hrs (2019-10-09 09:48:13 GMT)
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Just to clarify, by "related" I mean linked by way of semantics or usage, not grammar. So, for an orange, related words might be sweet and sour or both a fruit and a colour; for a strawberry and cream and so on.

Like prompting with clues, almost. But maybe too vague here.

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Note added at 12 hrs (2019-10-09 10:29:49 GMT)
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One reference does not an answer make, but here goes:
https://www.britishcouncil.org/voices-magazine/fun-ways-teac...

Example sentence(s):
  • It must be recorded in the child's memory only in association with the object it refers to or a picture of that object or together with related words that bring out its meaning and precise nuance.
  • It must enter the child's memory only in association with the object it refers to or a picture of that object or as part of a collocation that brings out its meaning and precise nuance.
Wolf Draeger
South Africa
Local time: 05:35
Native speaker of: English
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you for the optional translation. It is helpful.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  writeaway: any actual references?
36 mins
  -> See my note (but point taken).

neutral  Michele Fauble: Not related words, but words that create a linguistic context that makes the meaning of the word to be learned clear. And it is a linguistic text - instructions to language teachers, applied linguistics.
6 hrs
  -> Related as in often appearing together—and anything to do with language technically falls under linguistics, but a guide to teaching is best put in plain language.

neutral  Elisabeth Richard: I'm not sure. I tend to think that verbal refers to an actual verb as in "things in action", not to just any related words.
9 hrs
  -> Yes, I first thought of "verb phrase" which is more or less the same as your predicate, but not clear that's what the text means.
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