président de chambre et président

English translation: President of Chamber and Presiding Judge (of a particular hearing)

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French term or phrase:président de chambre et président
English translation:President of Chamber and Presiding Judge (of a particular hearing)
Entered by: Robert Miki

20:21 Sep 15, 2019
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Law/Patents - Law (general) / Appeal Court Judgment
French term or phrase: président de chambre et président
The composition of a Paris Court of Appeal has on the same panel:

M. A, président de chambre
M. B, président
M. C, conseiller

Am I missing something?

Thanks for your help.
Robert Miki
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Local time: 10:42
President of Chamber and Presiding Judge (of a particular hearing)
Explanation:
This from Wikipedia, although "magistrates" is clearly wrong; these are senior judges

Judgment formation

Collegial judgments are composed by three magistrates

the first president
a president of chamber
and a councillor

(or president of chamber and two councillors) in the usual formation. The solemn formation consists of five magistrates and is notably used n cases sent back down from the court of cassation In rare cases, the court of appeal meets in the form of an "assembly of chambers" which comprises the magistrates of two chambers (three for the Paris Court of Appeals).[15]
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Summary of answers provided
4Divisional (Courts) President and Presiding Justice of the hearing
Adrian MM.
4President of Chamber and Presiding Judge (of a particular hearing)
AllegroTrans
Summary of reference entries provided
Structure of Belgian Court of Appeal
Marco Solinas
Dictionnaire juridique
Ulla Kask

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Divisional (Courts) President and Presiding Justice of the hearing


Explanation:
Compare in England & Wales: President of the erstwhile Family, Probate & Admiralty Division of the High Court at the Royal Courts of Justice in London (one who claimed to me, many years ago, that 'legal translation and court interpreting are the hardest legal skills to master') and the Master or Judge presiding over a specific hearing.

président de chambre: 'president of a *division* of the Court of Appeal or Court of Cassation' (FHS Bridge, Council of Europe FRE/ENG Glossary'
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_Cassation_(France)


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You, Robert or 'Bob', are welcome.

In case anyone reckons my answer is 'Anglo-Centric', I - without wishing to 'names-drop' - would only add that it is almost against the odds for all three officers sitting in a French court to be in the masculine. As Madame La Présidente de Chambre at the Tribunal de Grande Instance de Versailles once confided to me: 'my daughter asked me why there was a man presiding as judge over one of my cases, She was surprised because she had never seen one before on the Bench ...'

Example sentence(s):
  • France: Finally, a Full Court (Assemblée plénière) is called, presided over by the Chief Justice or, if he is absent, by the most senior presiding justice. It also seats all divisional presiding justices and senior justices...
  • France: Each division is headed by a presiding justice[3] referred to in French as a président, or *President of Division. The Chief Justice bears the title of the premier président, or President of the Court, who supervises the *presiding justices*...

    Reference: http://droit-finances.commentcamarche.com/faq/4280-president...
    Reference: http://www.linguee.com/french-english/translation/président+...
Adrian MM.
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Asker: Yes, Adrian, your answer is beginning to make sense to me. Let's hear what others have to say. Thank you.

Asker: You are right. The choice of the masculine was just for confidentiality.


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neutral  AllegroTrans: I don't like you conflating this to "divisional courts" and making tedious references to E&W; France is different!
15 hrs
  -> Courts was bracketed and and the contrast with multi-divisional E&W was President of a single French branch. You have also used my answer as a template for your own.
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President of Chamber and Presiding Judge (of a particular hearing)


Explanation:
This from Wikipedia, although "magistrates" is clearly wrong; these are senior judges

Judgment formation

Collegial judgments are composed by three magistrates

the first president
a president of chamber
and a councillor

(or president of chamber and two councillors) in the usual formation. The solemn formation consists of five magistrates and is notably used n cases sent back down from the court of cassation In rare cases, the court of appeal meets in the form of an "assembly of chambers" which comprises the magistrates of two chambers (three for the Paris Court of Appeals).[15]

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Reference comments


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Reference: Structure of Belgian Court of Appeal

Reference information:
This Wikipedia article describes (in English) the structure of the Belgian Court of Appeal. Among other things, it gives the English versions of the various judges that make up the panel (those listed in your post): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_appeal_(Belgium)
I did not find the corresponding article for the French system.

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Note added at 36 mins (2019-09-15 20:58:04 GMT)
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Look under "Court Structure"

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Note added at 40 mins (2019-09-15 21:02:24 GMT)
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Here is the link to the corresponding article on the French system (look under "Organisation").

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Note added at 50 mins (2019-09-15 21:12:15 GMT)
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Sorry, wrong link. Here is the right one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_Appeal_(France)


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_appeal_(Belgium)
Marco Solinas
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neutral  writeaway: The composition of a Paris Court of Appeal has on the same panel:
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Reference: Dictionnaire juridique

Reference information:
Perhaps this helps:

https://www.dictionnaire-juridique.com/definition/president-...

Dans l'organisation judiciaire, "Président" est le nom donné à la fonction du magistrat, qui dirige une juridiction du premier degré. [...]

Chaque Cour d'appel et la Cour de Cassation sont présidées par un "Premier Président". Les magistrats qui dans les Cours d'appel et à la Cour de Cassation dirigent les travaux des formations de jugement qui portent aussi le nom de "Chambres", sont des " Présidents de Chambre".

[...]

L'usage des tribunaux veut donc que l'on donne du "Monsieur le Président" à tout magistrat qui préside une formation d'un tribunal, même s'il statue à juge unique, puisqu'il préside par délégation du Président.


Could this perhaps mean that they have named the 'président de chambre' for the record, however as (s)he is not actually presiding over the hearing, the magistrate who is, is listed as the 'président'?


    https://www.dictionnaire-juridique.com/definition/president-et-premier-president.php
Ulla Kask
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