Découplage

English translation: Non-coterminous

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French term or phrase:	Découplage
English translation:	Non-coterminous
Entered by:	Timothy Barton

12:22 Nov 12, 2015

French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Government / Politics

French term or phrase: Découplage

"Unité ou découplage des circonscriptions territoriales"

The text talks about the fact that in some countries, the boundaries of the districts/provinces/regions used for central-government delegations coincide with those used by local government (unité), whereas in other countries they do not (découplage). In most sentences I could reword it (Le découplage des circonscriptions favorise... = If the boundaries do not coincide, ...), but the words appear in isolation in tables, so I could do with a translation for each word. I'd wanted to the post the two terms together, as it's important to have two words that contrast with each other, but the moderators won't allow it, so I'm just looking for "découplage" for now.

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Local time: 06:43

Non-coterminous

Explanation:
Technical explanation of terms provided after I submitted a request to Office of National Statistics. See below for their helpful reply. The only proviso I would put is that coterminous/non-coterminous clearly refer to the state of boundaries coinciding, or not; they would not refer to the action of them becoming aligned or un/dis-aligned! Hope that helps.

Dear Graeme

Thank you for your recent enquiry.

I am pleased to say that my colleagues have confirmed that the technical term to use is "coterminous", as in "the boundaries are coterminous" meaning the areas have the same or coincident boundaries. However, non-coterminous applies when the boundaries do not align.

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Note: your original term is a noun. I cannot find a "coterminance" or "coterminosity". "Coterminousness" doesn't really bear thinking about.

Selected response from:

Graeme Jones
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:43

Grading comment

Excellent. Thanks for your research! Yes, it's an adjective, but I add the noun "boundaries" and all is well. Certain sentences will need rephrasing, but that shouldn't be a problem.
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Summary of answers provided

Non-coterminous

Graeme Jones

Disparity/mismatch/differing/conflict

Nikki Kopelman

decoupling

Francois Boye

3 +1

dis-alignment of territorial units

Daryo

2 -1

disconnection

Tony M

Discussion entries: 6

Timothy Barton

ASKER

10:54 Nov 24, 2015

But if I'd but "unité / découplage" on one side and "coterminous / non-coterminous" on the other, they'd still show up in searches wouldn't they?

Tony M

France

@ Asker

14:10 Nov 16, 2015

Obviously, your two terms are related, and there is nothing whatsoever stopping you from mentioning them together in your explanatory text — as indeed you have done.
The reason for the "one term per question" rule is quite simply so as to produce meaningful glossary entries at the end of the day; if there are 2 related terms, there is nothing stopping you posting a similar question about the other term, thereby opening the possibility of creating 2 meaningful (and hopefully cross-referenced) glossary entries. It is a small amount of extra work for askers at the moment of posting their question, but makes the glossary a whole lot more useful for future users.

Timothy Barton

ASKER

12:48 Nov 16, 2015

My deadline is not until mid-December, so I'll wait for their response to you.

You mention the "pair", which is why I wanted to post the two terms together. Sometimes Proz should be a little flexible on their one-term-per-question rule.

Graeme Jones

United Kingdom

Digging...

15:24 Nov 13, 2015

Fair point Daryo. I dropped an email to ONS (Office for National Statistics) to ask what terms they would use - their response time is within 5 days - so it depends how much you want to hold your breath on this! There is lots on their website about the ever changing nature of UK administrative boundaries - but they don't seem to use any of those helpful words when describing them!
It's easier to think of the positive side of this pair: so there is "alignment (with)" or "mapping on to" - but finding words to mean the opposite is hard. "Misalignment" is not the right meaning. I notice you have a suggestion of "dis-alignment" - or maybe even "unalignment". I think we're into neologisms here!

Daryo

United Kingdom

ideally by digging

07:08 Nov 13, 2015

into texts written by political analyst and political scientists it should be possible to find the exact term used in their jargon. Some "trade terms" can be very counter-intuitive, but still be the only "right one" - IF you can find them.
But you could also spend considerable time wadding through EN texts only to discover that it's a new concept/term introduced by this FR author, and you are the first one having to translate it into EN ...

Graeme Jones

United Kingdom

congruence?

18:07 Nov 12, 2015

Perhaps play with the idea of congruent/incongruent. So congruent means that two shapes (boundaries) etc. match exactly; incongruent would mean they do not.

Also: are you sure that découplage refers only to the state of not being the same, rather than the action of splitting off?

Answers

3 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

découplage disconnection

Explanation:
One way of saying it in this sort of adminsitrative context.

Tony M
France
Local time: 06:43
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 56

21 mins confidence:

Disparity/mismatch/differing/conflict

Explanation:
Various suggestions that came to me when looking at your question.

"The disparity between borders..."
"The mismatch between borders..."
"The differing borders..."
"The conflict between borders..."/"If the borders conflict..."

Hope this helps a bit.

Nikki Kopelman
Local time: 05:43
Native speaker of: English

4 hrs confidence:

decoupling

Explanation:
My translation is inspired by the link. It contains a document on 'decoupling local government elections'.

http://www.gov.scot/Resource/Doc/264632/0099659.pdf

Francois Boye
United States
Local time: 00:43
Native speaker of:

French
PRO pts in category: 16

Notes to answerer

Asker: Hmm, it has a completely different meaning here, but the dictionary definition does seem to fit: "Separate, disengage, or dissociate (something) from something else:" (Oxford)

6 days confidence:

Non-coterminous

Graeme Jones
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:43
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

Excellent. Thanks for your research! Yes, it's an adjective, but I add the noun "boundaries" and all is well. Certain sentences will need rephrasing, but that shouldn't be a problem.

50 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

découplage des circonscriptions territoriales dis-alignment of territorial units

Explanation:
vs

alignment of territorial units = Unité des circonscriptions territoriales (=same boundaries)

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The Greater London Authority, London Assembly and the directly elected Mayor of London were created in 2000 by the Greater London Authority Act 1999. In 2000, the outer boundary of the Metropolitan Police District was re-aligned to the Greater London boundary. The 2000 and 2004 mayoral elections were won by Ken Livingstone (L), who had been the final leader of the GLC. The 2008 and 2012 elections were won by Boris Johnson (C).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London#Proposals_to_ex...

Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:43
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Serbian,

French
PRO pts in category: 33

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