partie amont

English translation: upstream

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French term or phrase:partie amont
English translation:upstream
Entered by: Rebecca Elliott

11:12 Mar 5, 2009
French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Forestry / Wood / Timber
French term or phrase: partie amont
Does anyone know what "partie amont" means here?

Un siècle d'innovations permanentes dans le domaine de la machine forestière destinée à la partie amont de l'exploitation forestière professionnelle, et tout particulièrement en ce qui concerne le matériel de reboisement de la foret cultivée.

Thank you
Rebecca Elliott
United Kingdom
Local time: 18:48
upstream
Explanation:
I think the same metaphor may be used here. This does not refer to a physical location or area, but to the initial "part" in the stream of activities found in the forest management & timber extraction industry. The second part of the statement reveals its meaning in the context.

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Note added at 13 hrs (2009-03-06 00:49:25 GMT)
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Rebecca, this paper http://www.forestry.gov.uk/pdf/walmult.pdf/$FILE/walmult.pdf gives particular definitions of upstream and downstream activities in forestry (section 4.1, pages 33-35) - they are wider than I initially thought. I don't know how universal these definitions are in the sector, but it might be a useful reference to consider.
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Carlos Segura
United Kingdom
Local time: 19:48
Grading comment
I'm still not 100% sure but I went with "upstream". Thanks.
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Summary of answers provided
5 -1uphill (sections, portions, terrain, etc...)
Puchduggo
3 +1upstream
Carlos Segura
4establishment (plant & machinery)
ormiston
3preparatory phases/stages
carolynf
3(pre-logging /harvesting) equipment
ormiston


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47 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
preparatory phases/stages


Explanation:
for instance

carolynf
France
Local time: 19:48
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  ormiston: I also think one should avoid hills or a misleading metaphor with stream. Cant think of the right word though - it's sort of forward planning, thinking ahead - NOT the lumbering part
7 hrs
  -> thanks ormiston, yes, "en amont" crops up regularly as a challenge to translate appropriately according to the context and I agree with your comment

disagree  Francis Marche: Sorry, nothing "preparatory" in "en amont" for the forest industries: it's just the logging and extraction side of the trade; "aval" is the timber processing side of the business // Material de reboisement are used in forestry operations aren't they ?
14 hrs
  -> ...and the "matériel de reboisement (...)" referred to in the sentence?
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
uphill (sections, portions, terrain, etc...)


Explanation:
the text is "... machine forestière destinée à la partie amont de l'exploitation forestière ..." this obviously talks of the uphill portion of the logging industry

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Note added at 5 hrs (2009-03-05 16:43:54 GMT)
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machines made or prepared to go, work uphill

Puchduggo
Local time: 19:48

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Carlos Segura: and excludes forest on level ground?!
26 mins
  -> yes; at least in the portion asked about "Does anyone know what "partie amont" means here?"

disagree  Francis Marche: You may not be familiar with the jargon of the timber industry: "partie amont" means "en amont de la filière", meaning the logging operations proper (upstream) while "en aval" is the timber processing side of the industry.
8 hrs
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14 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
upstream


Explanation:
I think the same metaphor may be used here. This does not refer to a physical location or area, but to the initial "part" in the stream of activities found in the forest management & timber extraction industry. The second part of the statement reveals its meaning in the context.

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Note added at 13 hrs (2009-03-06 00:49:25 GMT)
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Rebecca, this paper http://www.forestry.gov.uk/pdf/walmult.pdf/$FILE/walmult.pdf gives particular definitions of upstream and downstream activities in forestry (section 4.1, pages 33-35) - they are wider than I initially thought. I don't know how universal these definitions are in the sector, but it might be a useful reference to consider.

Carlos Segura
United Kingdom
Local time: 19:48
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
I'm still not 100% sure but I went with "upstream". Thanks.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Julie Barber
1 hr
  -> Many thanks.

disagree  Puchduggo: en amont=upstream here it is not a metaphore
5 hrs
  -> Sorry, but to me it reads metaphorically rather than literally.

neutral  ormiston: I'd be wary of using upstream metaphorically here: this is what you get...sorry cannot copy this. Upstream forestry management is a term in itself and does not designate the machines referred to here
10 hrs
  -> Oh be fair! I have not said it designates the machines referred to here.

agree  Francis Marche: "amont" certainly refers to "en amont de la filière" (upstream in the processing chain or chain-of-custody) and it does NOT stand for "uphill"
13 hrs
  -> Many thanks.
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21 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
establishment (plant & machinery)


Explanation:
This term has been supplied by a UK Forestry Manager I contacted so you can't get more 'hands on'.
This is how he describes it:

"Usually called “Establishment” plant & machinery, as this phase of operations is called ‘establishment’, as it is all about the work required to establish, on the ground, a new crop of trees

ormiston
Local time: 19:48
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Native speaker of: English
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11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
(pre-logging /harvesting) equipment


Explanation:
hard to nail this, but it's the machines used for clearing, planting, root removing, etc. i.e. not chain saws, logging machinery etc. In another register it would be 'sustainable forest management' equipment

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Note added at 21 hrs (2009-03-06 09:08:55 GMT)
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(morning Francis) - the machinery referred to explicitly covers reforesting, planting not just lumbering & logging. As for upstream, it honestly might sound ambiguous as mostly taken literally in the business. see here http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=h2&oq=u...

ormiston
Local time: 19:48
Works in field
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Francis Marche: "machines used for clearing, planting, root removing" are basically the same machinery used in logging operations. Anyway these are silvicultural treatments (post-harvesting op.) carried out upstream of the "filière" (i.e. the production chain)
13 hrs
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