les annelés

English translation: Annelids

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French term or phrase:les annelés
English translation:Annelids
Entered by: Drmanu49

14:20 Dec 5, 2008
French to English translations [PRO]
Science - Biology (-tech,-chem,micro-)
French term or phrase: les annelés
I am looking for a term that embodies the french explanation of this term:
"Nom donné par H. Milne-Edwards aux animaux à métamérie extérieurement visible (vers et arthropodes)"

In other words: is there a specialized term for the classification of 'worms + Arthropodas'?
Or how would you translate this term?
Andy Tolle
Belgium
Local time: 18:59
Annelids
Explanation:
(1967), a semipopular account; D.T. Anderson, Embryology and Phylogeny in Annelids and Arthropods (1973); P.J. Mill (ed.), Physiology of Annelids (1978), ...
www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/26308/annelid/31794/Addi... - 58k -

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-12-05 15:28:24 GMT)
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This is the term that was used at the time

Sources, original description: Audouin, J.V. and Milne Edwards, H. 1833. ... Manche [An up to date list of polychaetous annelids from the English Channel]. ...
www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=155515 - 10k

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-12-05 15:52:48 GMT)
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or annelida as mentioned by Liz.
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Drmanu49
France
Local time: 18:59
Grading comment
The purpose of the word in this particular translation is to show an axial symmetry in the form of animals: worms are the most clear example of this.
Since it seems even today unclear whether the worms and Arthropodas are homologous in their form and thus based on this same symmetry, I believe it will serve the clarity of this particular translation to focus mainly on the 'worm'-part as this word seems to do; like some say: even though the emphasis is on the worms, it doesn't necessarily exclude the Arthropodas, so it thereby remains chronologically correct as well.
That is why I believe that for this particular case, it will serve clarity to use this translation.
However, my gratitude goes to all of you.
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Summary of answers provided
5 +1Annelids
Drmanu49
3 +1Annellata (or Articulata)
Helen Genevier
Summary of reference entries provided
further explanation of "annelés"
SJLD

  

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Annellata (or Articulata)


Explanation:
This ref suggests it's an obsolete zoological classification that grouped annelids and arthopods together as animals with segmented bodies. The term Milne-Edwards used was Annellata but is roughly equivalent to Cuvier's Articulata, for which there are more hits.

"The name *Articulata*, introduced by Cuvier, has not been retained by subsequent writers. The same, or nearly the same, assemblage of animals has been called Entomozoaria by de Blainville (1822), Arthrozoa by Burmeister (1843), Entomozoa or *Annellata* by H. Milne-Edwards (1855), and Annulosa by Alexander M ` Leay (1819), who was followed by Huxley (1856). *The character pointed to by all these terms is that of a ring-like segmentation of the body*.
http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Arthropoda

"Arthropods and annelids have their body divided into a series of repeated units that bear pairs of appendages in most cases. These body units and their appendages have long been regarded as homologous structures and have been the basis for uniting annelids and arthropods as sister taxa in the taxon *Articulata*
http://www.frontiersinzoology.com/content/5/1/17

ARTICULATA, a zoological name now obsolete, applied by Cuvier to animals, such as insects and worms, in which the body displays a jointed structure. (See ARTHROPODA.)
http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Articulata


Helen Genevier
France
Local time: 18:59
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 56

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  liz askew: sorry, wrong one :-)
1 min

agree  SJLD: absolutely right - pearls before swine ;-)
2 days 1 hr
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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Annelids


Explanation:
(1967), a semipopular account; D.T. Anderson, Embryology and Phylogeny in Annelids and Arthropods (1973); P.J. Mill (ed.), Physiology of Annelids (1978), ...
www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/26308/annelid/31794/Addi... - 58k -

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-12-05 15:28:24 GMT)
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This is the term that was used at the time

Sources, original description: Audouin, J.V. and Milne Edwards, H. 1833. ... Manche [An up to date list of polychaetous annelids from the English Channel]. ...
www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=155515 - 10k

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-12-05 15:52:48 GMT)
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or annelida as mentioned by Liz.

Drmanu49
France
Local time: 18:59
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 91
Grading comment
The purpose of the word in this particular translation is to show an axial symmetry in the form of animals: worms are the most clear example of this.
Since it seems even today unclear whether the worms and Arthropodas are homologous in their form and thus based on this same symmetry, I believe it will serve the clarity of this particular translation to focus mainly on the 'worm'-part as this word seems to do; like some say: even though the emphasis is on the worms, it doesn't necessarily exclude the Arthropodas, so it thereby remains chronologically correct as well.
That is why I believe that for this particular case, it will serve clarity to use this translation.
However, my gratitude goes to all of you.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Sheila Hardie
2 mins
  -> Thank you Sheila.

agree  liz askew: or Annelida.
1 hr
  -> Thank you Liz.

disagree  Helen Genevier: Annelida is a phylum of worms. It does not include the phylum Arthropoda/H. M-E uses the word Annelids for Annélides (that's in your ref2). Andy's question specifically asks for a term that includes worms+Arthropoda.
1 hr
  -> Sorry to disagree with you Helen he asked for the term used by H. Milne-Edwards (not the latin one either).

neutral  SJLD: Milne-Edwards wrote in French so he did not use any English word. However, his term "annelés" encompasses both "vers annelés" (Annelida) and articulate invertebrates (Arthropods)
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Reference comments


2 days 7 hrs
Reference: further explanation of "annelés"

Reference information:
In this article, it is perfectly clear that Milne-Edward's term "annelés" included both worms (Annelida) and "articulated" animals.

http://www.arehn.asso.fr/centredoc/livres/milne/oeuvre.php

Il développe ensuite les annelés dont "tout leur corps est divisé en tronçons et semble composé d’une suite d’anneaux placés à la file des uns des autres " en les répartissant en deux sous embranchements : les animaux articulés (insectes, myriapodes, arachnides, crustacés) et les vers.

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