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French to English translations [PRO] Tech/Engineering - Architecture
French term or phrase:Coursive
In French, "coursive" and "couloir" are to different types of circulation for housing, with each one its advantages and disadvantage.
For the moment, I've found: "Exterior corridor commie block: An exterior "corridor" (what is the exact name in English ? "coursive" in French) runs along one side of the building, so most flats have two natural lighted sides, one being on this exterior corridor. "
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https://books.google.fr/books?isbn=1843837838 David Burke - 2014 - History As I was doing a piece to camera outside Deutsch's flat at No. ... Murder on the Orient Express while chatting on the walkways in their deck-access block of flats.
https://books.google.fr/books?isbn=1136367217 Rozz Algar, Ray Tricker - 2010 - Technology & Engineering D 2.14.3 Where access to the flats or maisonettes is from an open-access balcony or an access deck, openable ventilators need not be installed provided the ...
... oh, but isn't that link merely something which the asker has found when researching?
Actually the question is a bit "non-conforme" because we don't really know the context. Admittedly it says "circulation for housing", so that rules out the Japanese coursives... actually I just googled "coursive logement", and that produces some pretty boring such balconies. The *question*, however, is simply the word "coursive" on its own. But, yep, OK, boring balconies it is!
Your wrote: "...these boring balconies leading to flats" — and that's exactly the point, what we have here: boring balconies on Communist-era blocks of flats.
https://hackney.gov.uk/article/5330/Quadra-E8: "all apartments are either dual or triple aspect with gallery access to avoid internal corridors." ... 'Ackney mate, 'Ackney! English English enough for you, or what?
As for "walkways", the point is really to find a term which is broad enough. "Coursive" may often mean these boring balconies leading to flats, but they can also mean more exotic things, e.g. in "old hospitals" or in Japan: https://japon-fr.com/photos-du-japon coursive.htm
I had the same impression. Your are right, Dicobat is reliable. I wonder that peers question it's reliability, if they know other expressions. Most terms have different synonyms and the question is only, what is the best.
Unlike your cloisters, which do at least run the length of walls with doors leading off, "covered walkways" tend to either be at ground level and/or form a link between buildings.
In fact, Dicobat translates "coursive" as "gallery" and IMHO that is an error. Sure you can find examples of the word "gallery" being used in this context. However, those examples tend to come from non-anglophone sources (like your Norwegian one).
I think Johannes is coming under attack unfairly ... google "gallery access housing" and lots of things come up, including this page http://www.architecturenorway.no/projects/dwelling/stoperiga... (search "gallery"). In fact the sole problem I have with this is that these types of structures providing access to flats are a subset of "(covered) walkway", which I think is the most accurate term.
Certainly, access to flats could be from a gallery. However, as that would be a very specific and unusual design, it would be wrong to use the word "gallery" unless you are certain that was what was meant. In this instance, there is no reason to suppose that it is a gallery.
Talking of references — can you please provide even so much as ONE reference where 'gallery' is used in a native EN document as a technical term directly associated with access on blocks of flats?
Agree with Tony; "gallery" is quite wrong here. Galleries are raised, usually interior, structures for viewing or being viewed (e.g. minstrel galleries).
And therein lies the whole problem! You are too glibly swallowing the faux ami — 'galérie' in FR canNOT be systematically translated by 'gallery' in EN in all cases... this being one where it can't!
No problem with this definition:《 covered outdoor gallery serving several dwellings or premises; sometimes, interior gallery of some modern ensembles 》.
Thank you very much!
Raoul COLIN (X)
NICOBAT Architectrure dictionnary - coursive
09:41 Apr 23, 2019
copie de la définition - galerie extérieure couverte qui dessert plusieurs logements ou locaux; parfois, galerie intérieure de certains ensembles modernes
Ok, you deleted your discussion entry "as soon as a proper answer was posted". On the other hand you admitted that the term gangway is not your favourite translation. This looks being contradictorily acc. MHO.
BTW, I checked the supporting references for "gangway" and found that 3 of 4 are off the subject.
As I am not on this page to battle with you or other peers, but to help the asker, I let the decision to him trusting he will select the most appropriate term for his text based on the provided arguments and references.
By the way, I deleted my initial discussion post as soon as a proper answer was posted, which I considered more helpful to Asker than my own comment; this had absolutely no cnnnection whatsoever with your suggestion, posted much later.
You seem to be confusing FR > EN and EN > FR translation; word-for-word backtranslation is rarely helpful, because so many words have multiple meanings in both languages. 'Gangway' is one possible translation for 'coursive' in this context (though it wouldn't be my favourite); 'balcony' is another; however, 'gallery' is simply NOT possible here. You seem not to understand that in EN (and i'm sure also in your native language), words that are similar in meaning are not necessarily all precisely interchangeable, each is likely to be used in specific contexts.
Please do not mismatch a gangway - as shown on your picture - with a gallery! your picture does not show a "coursive", but a passerelle. Please search for bilingual pages!
In American English, walkway is a composite or umbrella term for all engineered surfaces or structures which support the use of trails. The New Oxford American Dictionary also defines a walkway as "a passage or path for walking along, esp. a raised passageway connecting different sections of a building or a wide path in a park or garden." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkway
A gangway is a narrow passage that joins the quarterdeck to the forecastle of a sailing ship. The term is also extended to mean the narrow passages used to board or disembark ships. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangway_(nautical)
Gallery may refer to: • Gallery, a horizontal passage in an underground mine : • Balcony, located inside or outside of a building, such as a theater, concert hall, church, courtroom, or legislative chamber • Gallery (theatre), a balcony inside a theater • Minstrels' gallery, a balcony used by performing musicians • Observation deck, usually on the upper floors of a building, used to afford visitors a long-distance view https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallery
The definition you mention is exactly the same as the one listed for the definition of coursive in the architecture dictionary in French called Dicobat (paper dictionary)
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Translate coursive from French to English https://www.interglot.com/dictionary/fr/en/translate/coursiv... Coursive translated from French to English including synonyms, definitions, and related words. ... la coursive. the gangway · gangway [the ~] noun ...
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