catenary bangs

English translation: a fringe cut in a curve that is lower in the middle

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English term or phrase:catenary bangs
Selected answer:a fringe cut in a curve that is lower in the middle
Entered by: Charles Davis

18:03 Mar 11, 2019
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English term or phrase: catenary bangs
Hi all,

I have doubts as to the meaning of catenary here:

Her chin fit within the circle of his thumb and forefinger, and copper, catenary bangs flowed over matching brows like the wings of a hovering bird.

That's a description of a girl from a fiction book (Jack of Shadows by Roger Zelazny, a U. S. fantasy and sci-fi author).

Does it mean that the bangs are cut to a semi-circular shape? Like this, for example?

Thanks in advance!
Denys Dömin
Ukraine
Local time: 07:22
a fringe cut in a curve that is lower in the middle
Explanation:
In other words, what you have suggested.

I tend to agree with Phil here: the writer is trying too hard. It sounds pretentious, and the description is not readily understood. However, though etymologically "catenary" means chainlike, its only dictionary definition a shape:

"the curve assumed by a cord of uniform density and cross section that is perfectly flexible but not capable of being stretched and that hangs freely from two fixed points"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/catenary

This does more or less make sense in the context; I don't know in what other sense the bangs could be "chainlike".

So it's not actually a semicircle (that would look very strange) but a much gentler curve, the curve made by a chain hanging under its own weight: lower in the middle than at either side (though not much lower).

This is more or less the shape often made by the wings of a hovering bird:
https://www.hbw.com/ibc/photo/black-kite-milvus-migrans/bird...

As for "matching brows", this t presumably doesn't mean that the brows match one another (it would be very strange if they didn't, but that the curve of the bangs or fringe matches the curve of the brows, in the sense that the brows curve down towards the middle, though actually the curve is not exactly the same, as your own illustration shows.
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Charles Davis
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Local time: 06:22
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SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED
4 +4a fringe cut in a curve that is lower in the middle
Charles Davis
4convex or V(-shaped) bangs
Yvonne Gallagher
3locks of curly hair
Andrea Pilenso
3 -2necklaced gestures
Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón


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47 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
a fringe cut in a curve that is lower in the middle


Explanation:
In other words, what you have suggested.

I tend to agree with Phil here: the writer is trying too hard. It sounds pretentious, and the description is not readily understood. However, though etymologically "catenary" means chainlike, its only dictionary definition a shape:

"the curve assumed by a cord of uniform density and cross section that is perfectly flexible but not capable of being stretched and that hangs freely from two fixed points"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/catenary

This does more or less make sense in the context; I don't know in what other sense the bangs could be "chainlike".

So it's not actually a semicircle (that would look very strange) but a much gentler curve, the curve made by a chain hanging under its own weight: lower in the middle than at either side (though not much lower).

This is more or less the shape often made by the wings of a hovering bird:
https://www.hbw.com/ibc/photo/black-kite-milvus-migrans/bird...

As for "matching brows", this t presumably doesn't mean that the brows match one another (it would be very strange if they didn't, but that the curve of the bangs or fringe matches the curve of the brows, in the sense that the brows curve down towards the middle, though actually the curve is not exactly the same, as your own illustration shows.

Charles Davis
Spain
Local time: 06:22
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Notes to answerer
Asker: Yep, "semi-circular" was my bad writing, I just meant a curve (should have called it an upside-down gently sloping arch, I guess). As to the "matching brows", my first guess was that they were copper-red, too, but now I see that it would be strange if they weren't, so it must be about their shape as well. Thanks for the hint!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard
40 mins
  -> Thanks, Phil!

agree  Piyush Ojha
58 mins
  -> Thanks, Piyush :-)

agree  Jennifer Caisley: What an odd phrase in the source text - this seems the most logical interpretation!
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Jennifer :-) Not a very successful piece of writing, in my opinion.

agree  Sina Salehi
9 hrs
  -> Thanks, Sina :-)
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54 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
locks of curly hair


Explanation:
Sugestion

Andrea Pilenso
Brazil
Local time: 01:22
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Native speaker of: Portuguese

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Tony M: Not quite sure how you get from 'catenary bangs' (= the shape of the fringe) to 'curly hair', in locks or otherwise?
6 mins
  -> I imagined a type of hair resembling a chain, since "catenary" is not a word normally used to describe fringes. It was just a suggestion.

neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: yes, curly is quite a stretch!
1 hr
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -2
necklaced gestures


Explanation:
Another way to say it: elegant necklaced gestures ran matching browns...

Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
Mexico
Local time: 23:22
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Native speaker of: Spanish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Tony M: I don't know where you're getting 'gestures' from? But in any case, this is simply a non-sense in EN.
5 mins

disagree  Yvonne Gallagher: with Tony
50 mins
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
convex or V(-shaped) bangs


Explanation:
I agree with others that "caternary" is far too obscure here. The type of bangs (or fringe, UK) in your picture would be called micro or baby bangs if that short and the arch would be curved or rounded but even up-curved I think as most bangs dip down/are longer at the sides. If cut straight across it is known as a "blunt" cut. But these bangs are longer it seems if they "flowed over matching brows"

https://vancouversun.com/life/fashion-beauty/nadia-albano-th...

So, if the eyebrows are to match the curve of the bangs it would be more like a convex or V fringe or bangs and maybe even with a widow's peak hairline?

convex fringe
https://fashiotopia.com/2017/12/31/11011/

https://www.pinterest.ie/awellman0086/bangs-convex/

Ha! Just about to post after looking up loads of styles and see in Dbox you've come to that conclusion too! Yes, a widow's peak seems like a good style for the context but convex or V shaped I think is better if you're really not sure and/or don't actually have a pic.

widow's peak hairline
https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/562035228488125279/

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Note added at 1 day 17 hrs (2019-03-13 11:36:17 GMT) Post-grading
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No problem! I thought you were looking for a synonym. "Convex" is fine though "U-shaped" would be better than V-shaped unless it actually has a widow's peak.

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Note added at 1 day 17 hrs (2019-03-13 11:37:28 GMT) Post-grading
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BTW you need to keep it as "bangs" for US English.

Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
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Asker: Thanks a lot, Yvonne!

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