as related to

English translation: in relation to

05:53 Apr 24, 2019

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English term or phrase: as related to

We investigated the status of sleep disorders in elderly people, lifestyle **as related to** sleep disorders and effects of acupuncture and moxibustion treatment.

We mainly investigated about sleep disorders such as difficulty in sleeping, nocturnal awakening, early morning awakening, lack of sound sleep, poor physical condition at awakening, daytime sleepiness, lifestyle **in relation to** sleep disorder, and amount of sleep time, over a period of one month.

In the above cases can“as related to” and “in relation to”be used, respectively?
Or it is better to change the latter one to:
We mainly investigated about sleep disorders such as difficulty in sleeping, nocturnal awakening, early morning awakening, lack of sound sleep, poor physical condition at awakening, daytime sleepiness, lifestyle **as related to** sleep disorder, and amount of sleep time, over a period of one month.

Thank you!

Mitsuko Yoshida KudoZ activity Questions: 395 (9 open) (17 without valid answers) (4 closed without grading) Answers: 25
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Selected answer:in relation to

Explanation:
Generally, either could be used, but I have just a "feeling" that 'in relation to' fits slightly better in both instances here.

An even better solution might be 'as it relates to': 'lifestyle as it relates to sleep' (in other words, limiting the investigations into lifestyle to only those aspects that are connected with sleep)

There are several other things not quite right with the rest of the text; in particular, in many instances 'waking' would be better than 'awakening', and one would probaby be more likely to say 'on waking' rather than 'at awakening'.

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Tony M
France
Local time: 01:50

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in relation to

Tony M

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Tony M

France

@ Phil

13:02 Apr 24, 2019

Agree, 'about' is wrong in the syntax as given — but in fact, the whole sentence is flawed, since in this sort of scientific context, it wouldn't be terribly good to say just 'investigated' anyway.
The sort of expression I think Asker is trying to use would be something more like "Our inestigations were mainly about..."

philgoddard

United States

12:12 Apr 24, 2019

"About" is wrong, and you should leave it out.

Björn Vrooman

10:24 Apr 24, 2019

Thanks, Tony!

It wouldn't be the first time that a word in American English sounds dated to British ears. In my experience, it's a relatively common phenomenon but a fascinating one nonetheless.

In any case (a)wake(n) is like one of the most terrible words in English:
https://www.copyediting.com/disentangling-your-morning-wake-...
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/usage-awaken-a...

Guess it doesn't matter nowadays as long as you're sufficiently "woke," ha ha.

Best wishes

Tony M

France

@ Björn

10:02 Apr 24, 2019

I don't know if it's a BE / AE thing, but to my British ears, certainly, 'waking' is more everyday language, whereas 'awakening' tends to be more formal and/or slightly dated — and is also likely to be required in certain specific expressions.
Here are some made-up examples of my own to (I hope!) illustrate my point:
"On waking, always take your blood-sugar level before eating or drinking anything"
"Waking to the sound of rain beating against my window, I turned over and went back to sleep"
"Upon awakening the next morning, the Plaintiff was horrified to find..."
"The Dragon Awakes"
"Watching this documentary started what for me was something of a spiritual awakening"

Björn Vrooman

09:22 Apr 24, 2019

Edit: I meant to look for "early morning waking" on .gov pages, not "wakening." There are few (if any) results for this.

Björn Vrooman

You don't...

09:19 Apr 24, 2019

...even have to google: see b) at https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/in-relation-to-someth...

There, it says "(formal) concerning."

Don't quite understand the point about waking, though. Is this a BrE/AmE issue, Tony?

From Ireland (early morning waking):
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/the-4am-wake-up-call-...

the States (early morning awakening):
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/too-early-to-...
https://www.foxnews.com/health/the-worst-kind-of-insomnia-ho...
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/200307/bedfellow...
https://www.science.gov/topicpages/e/early morning awakening
https://www.cdc.gov/sleep/about_sleep/key_disorders.html

Best wishes

Tony M

France

@ Boris

08:08 Apr 24, 2019

It's really very easy: you simply Google the expression "in relation to" and then select some of the multitude of examples where the preceding and succeeding words are nouns — or equivalent constructions.

Here is just a tiny extract from the first page of Google results:

Scholarly articles for "in relation to"

The descent of man and selection in relation to sex - ‎Darwin

… fiber, and nonstarch polysaccharides in relation to animal nutrition… - ‎Van Soest

Interaction models for water in relation to protein … - ‎Berendsen

And so on...

Boris Shapiro

Russian Federation

For curiosity's sake

07:46 Apr 24, 2019

Could someone please humour a non-native speaker with real-world examples of 'N1 in relation (=concerning) to N2' phrases?

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in relation to

Tony M
France
Local time: 01:50
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neutral

Boris Shapiro: I struggle to find examples of 'N1 in relation (=concerning) to N2'. It feels ungrammatical because it lacks, for lack of a better work, 'action'. What does N1 *do* in relation to N2?

20 mins

-> It's just my native-speaker 'feel' — and it certainly is widely used and not ungrammatical! But as I said, my second suggestion would probably be better than either.

agree

katsy: I'd agree with your 2nd suggestion as better, but no problem with your answer as it stands!

2 hrs

-> Thanks, Katsy!

agree

Björn Vrooman: Yes, also prefer your 2nd option.

2 hrs

-> Thanks, Björn!

agree

philgoddard

5 hrs

-> Thanks, Phil!

agree

B D Finch

5 hrs

-> Thanks, B!

agree

Yvonne Gallagher

5 hrs

-> Thanks, Yvonne!

agree

Charlesp

6 hrs

-> Thanks, Charles!

agree

Tina Vonhof (X): I think it would be much more direct to say: the effect of lifestyle on sleep patterns.

7 hrs

-> Thanks, Tina! The whole thing needs re-writing.

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