authorial/authored/authorship

English translation: avoid "author" and derivatives in relation to composers

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English term or phrase:authorial/authored/authorship
Selected answer:avoid "author" and derivatives in relation to composers
Entered by: Charles Davis

19:57 Nov 23, 2012
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Art/Literary - Music / authorship
English term or phrase: authorial/authored/authorship
Hi there,

I am looking for help with the terms authorship; authored and authorial in the context of classical music. Namely the context related to the publication of a CD containing compositions by one composer. The emphasis in the descriptive text is on his authorship (opus?) and that the CD contains only the compositions written by this particular author.

My questions are:
When talking about his opus, can I use the word authorship to denote the activity of composing, including his opus?
In the description of the CD, can I say an authored/authorial CD?

Thank you very much in advance!
Martina Pokupec (X)
Croatia
Local time: 12:33
generallygenerally avoid "author" and derivatives in relation to composers
Explanation:
You can talk about "authorship" in relation to a composer, but it nearly always refers to attribution: as in "Beethoven's authorship of work X has been questioned. It's not commonly used to refer to the act or process of composing in general. It is unusual and generally to refer to a composer as an "author" in English. For "authorship" in the context you describe, it will depend on how you phrase it, but "composition(s)" and "work(s)" are your main options.

"Author" and its derivatives are mostly confined to writing in English. An "authored/authorial" CD definitely doesn't work. You would have to say something like "A CD of his works/compositions" or "entirely devoted to his work", or something like that.

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Sorry about the double "generally"!

And in the third line I meant to say "unusual and generally unnatural, or even confusing".

In paragraph 2 I meant that these words in English ("author" etc.) are mostly used only when referring to writers.

This question arises in relation to the visual arts too. In Spanish, it is very common to refer to a visual artist as an "autor", but it usually doesn't work well in English.

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The one way you might find "authorial" used in relation to music is when referring to details in the score; to say that the accidentals, or dynamics, or metronome markings, for example, are "authorial" would mean that they were put there by the composer rather than an editor. I can't think of another way it might be used when talking about music. So it's rather like "authorship": its use is confined to questions of whether or not something can be attributed to the composer in question. These are very limited special cases.

As for "authored", you might find someone writing that a work was "authored" by a composer, but it's forced and rather unnatural, and there are better alternatives: composed or written. Indeed, "write" is a verb you can often use.
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Charles Davis
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4 +3generallygenerally avoid "author" and derivatives in relation to composers
Charles Davis
4self-composed
David Hollywood
3composer (and its verbal derivatives)
Robert Forstag


  

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composer (and its verbal derivatives)


Explanation:
In the context of classical music, I've seen "composer," "composed," and "composition more frequently than "author," "authored," and "authorship."

Robert Forstag
United States
Local time: 06:33
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8
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generallygenerally avoid "author" and derivatives in relation to composers


Explanation:
You can talk about "authorship" in relation to a composer, but it nearly always refers to attribution: as in "Beethoven's authorship of work X has been questioned. It's not commonly used to refer to the act or process of composing in general. It is unusual and generally to refer to a composer as an "author" in English. For "authorship" in the context you describe, it will depend on how you phrase it, but "composition(s)" and "work(s)" are your main options.

"Author" and its derivatives are mostly confined to writing in English. An "authored/authorial" CD definitely doesn't work. You would have to say something like "A CD of his works/compositions" or "entirely devoted to his work", or something like that.

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Note added at 17 mins (2012-11-23 20:14:48 GMT)
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Sorry about the double "generally"!

And in the third line I meant to say "unusual and generally unnatural, or even confusing".

In paragraph 2 I meant that these words in English ("author" etc.) are mostly used only when referring to writers.

This question arises in relation to the visual arts too. In Spanish, it is very common to refer to a visual artist as an "autor", but it usually doesn't work well in English.

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Note added at 1 hr (2012-11-23 21:20:51 GMT)
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The one way you might find "authorial" used in relation to music is when referring to details in the score; to say that the accidentals, or dynamics, or metronome markings, for example, are "authorial" would mean that they were put there by the composer rather than an editor. I can't think of another way it might be used when talking about music. So it's rather like "authorship": its use is confined to questions of whether or not something can be attributed to the composer in question. These are very limited special cases.

As for "authored", you might find someone writing that a work was "authored" by a composer, but it's forced and rather unnatural, and there are better alternatives: composed or written. Indeed, "write" is a verb you can often use.

Charles Davis
Spain
Local time: 12:33
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Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 24
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Thank you!
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Asker: Thank you very much for this extensive explanation :)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  David Moore (X): I've never seen "author"or any of its derivatives used in an educated CD cover dealing with classical music. And "authorial" - where did that come from???
46 mins
  -> I don't remember having seen it either. As I've hinted here, I suspect that the equivalents of "author" are more widely used in other languages; this is certainly true of Spanish. Thanks, David!

agree  Tina Vonhof (X)
20 hrs
  -> Many thanks, Tina :)

agree  Phong Le
2 days 9 hrs
  -> Many thanks, Phong Le :)
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self-composed


Explanation:
I would say ... all composed/written by the person concerned

David Hollywood
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