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product ex wheat vs. ex wheat product

English translation: product made from wheat

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English term or phrase:product ex wheat / ex wheat product
Selected answer:product made from wheat
Entered by: Tony M

10:57 Jun 23, 2016
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Agriculture
English term or phrase: product ex wheat vs. ex wheat product
This is from an information sheet by a biotechnology company, about its food ingredients and additives:

,,Heavy Metals
2.1 Legislation : 1881/2006/EC (as amended) to cover maize & wheat as raw materials. Provides maximum limits for Cadmium & Lead
2.2 Legislative limits : Maximum values of Lead 0.2 mg/kg max, cadmium 0.1 mg/kg for products ex maize, cadmium 0.2 mg/kg for products ex wheat
2.3 Typical values : Arsenic < 0.1 mg/kg, cadmium < 0.1 mg/kg ex maize products, cadmium < 0.2 mg/kg ex wheat products, lead < 0.2 mg/kg, mercury < 0.1 mg/kg''

I've looked at regulation 1881, and it appears that in item 2.2 ''product ex wheat'' means ''made from wheat''.

In 2.3, does ''ex wheat products'' mean ''excluding/except''?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Grzegorz Mysiński
Poland
Local time: 18:43
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Explanation:
No, there is no material difference in meaning; they are simply using 'products ex wheat' because it flows better when following 'for', whereas the other usage works better when there is no preposition.

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Note added at 28 minutes (2016-06-23 11:25:43 GMT)
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Yes, that's right, Asker!

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Note added at 29 minutes (2016-06-23 11:27:08 GMT)
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If you think about it, the reverse wouldn't make any real sense: if we are talking about the contents of certain types of products, it's not very useful to then switch to talking about 'all other products except...'

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Note added at 5 heures (2016-06-23 16:32:09 GMT)
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Asker, do not that in this sort of sense, 'ex' is not an abbreviation of anything (as it would be, for example, in 'ex. VAT' = 'excluding VAT') but is simply the Latin word 'ex' meaning 'from' — as used in terms like 'ex works' or 'ex libris'.

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Note added at 6 heures (2016-06-23 17:27:07 GMT)
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Tony M
France
Local time: 18:43
Grading comment
Thank you Tony!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



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Tony M


  

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22 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +6
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Explanation:
No, there is no material difference in meaning; they are simply using 'products ex wheat' because it flows better when following 'for', whereas the other usage works better when there is no preposition.

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Note added at 28 minutes (2016-06-23 11:25:43 GMT)
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Yes, that's right, Asker!

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Note added at 29 minutes (2016-06-23 11:27:08 GMT)
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If you think about it, the reverse wouldn't make any real sense: if we are talking about the contents of certain types of products, it's not very useful to then switch to talking about 'all other products except...'

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Note added at 5 heures (2016-06-23 16:32:09 GMT)
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Asker, do not that in this sort of sense, 'ex' is not an abbreviation of anything (as it would be, for example, in 'ex. VAT' = 'excluding VAT') but is simply the Latin word 'ex' meaning 'from' — as used in terms like 'ex works' or 'ex libris'.

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Note added at 6 heures (2016-06-23 17:27:07 GMT)
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** note **

Tony M
France
Local time: 18:43
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thank you Tony!
Notes to answerer
Asker: So, in all of the cases, the phrase means ''made from'', doesn't it? Forgive me for asking, today's such a hectic day.

Asker: Tony, thank you very much, your help was invaluable. I had translated the text earlier in the day, interpreting this ‘’ex’’ as ‘’made from’’. Then, shortly before the deadline I started going through the text again and began to have my doubts about the ‘’ex’’. Well, sometimes your first choice is right. Once again, thank you for your help, Tony.


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