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vanguards of militants

Serbian translation: милитантна авангарда / авангарда активиста / милитантни преводници

17:17 Jul 29, 2017
English to Serbian translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - History / socijalisti prenose svoje učenje na radnike
English term or phrase: vanguards of militants
Socialists and anarchists carried their new gospel to masses hitherto neglected by almost all agencies except their exploiters and those who told them to be quiet and obedient: and even primary schools (where they reach them) were mainly content to inculcate the civic duties of religion, while organized Chueches themselves, apart from a few plebeian sects, were slow to move into proletarian territory, or ill-suited to deal with populations so different from the structured communities of ancient rural or city parishes. Workers were unknown and forgotten people in proportion as they were a new social group. How unknown, scores of writings by middle-class social explorers and observers testify; how forgotten, any reader of the letters of the painter Van Gogh, who went into Belgian coalfields as an evangelist, can judge. The socialists were often the first to come to them. Where conditions were right, they impressed on the most varied groups of workers - from craft journeymen or vanguards of militants to entire working communities of outworkers or miners - a single identity: "that of proletarian"
Danica Cvetković
Serbia
Local time: 11:39
Serbian translation:милитантна авангарда / авангарда активиста / милитантни преводници
Explanation:
Where conditions were right, they impressed on the most varied groups of workers - from craft journeymen or vanguards of militants to entire working communities of outworkers or miners - a single identity: "that of proletarian"


thеse "vanguards of militants" [=vanguards made of militants] are limited groups of workers - not all workers - they are the vanguards [of their group of workers] because they are militants (at the difference from other workers in that group) [a variation on the theme of "авангарда радничке класе", BTW]
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Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:39
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"militantna avangarda" mi odgovara. reč je o borbenim proleterima, članovima i simpatizerima radničkih i socijalističkih stranaka. Hvala
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5prevodnici (prvi redovi) militantno nastrojenih slojeva
Olivera Popovic
4милитантна авангарда / авангарда активиста / милитантни преводници
Daryo
3 -1vojne prethodnice; prethodnice vojski
Melita Zonic Dâmaso


  

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1 day 3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
vojne prethodnice; prethodnice vojski


Explanation:
Pošto pretpostavljam da se tekst odnosi (ili je pisan) na period pre 20. veka, prema OED "origin" objašnjenju ovakav prevod bi imao smisla - avangarda i militanti su se pojavili kao značenje početkom 20. veka :)


    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/vanguard
    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/militant
Melita Zonic Dâmaso
Local time: 11:39
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in Serbo-CroatSerbo-Croat

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Daryo: Где ви видите било какву војску у овом тексту? Мора да имају савршену камуфлажу - нигде их не видим ...
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prevodnici (prvi redovi) militantno nastrojenih slojeva


Explanation:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vanguard:

1. the forefront of an action or movement

2. the troops moving at the head of an army



Olivera Popovic
Serbia
Local time: 11:39
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian
PRO pts in category: 28

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Daryo: 1. the forefront of an action or movement, but "slojeva" sounds odd
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милитантна авангарда / авангарда активиста / милитантни преводници


Explanation:
Where conditions were right, they impressed on the most varied groups of workers - from craft journeymen or vanguards of militants to entire working communities of outworkers or miners - a single identity: "that of proletarian"


thеse "vanguards of militants" [=vanguards made of militants] are limited groups of workers - not all workers - they are the vanguards [of their group of workers] because they are militants (at the difference from other workers in that group) [a variation on the theme of "авангарда радничке класе", BTW]

Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:39
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 24
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"militantna avangarda" mi odgovara. reč je o borbenim proleterima, članovima i simpatizerima radničkih i socijalističkih stranaka. Hvala
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