false friend

Lithuanian translation: netikras/tariamas (vertėjo) draugas

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English term or phrase:	false friend
Lithuanian translation:	netikras/tariamas (vertėjo) draugas
Entered by:	Marcin Miłkowski

18:18 Oct 13, 2007

English to Lithuanian translations [PRO]
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English term or phrase: false friend

False friend in translation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_friend

Marcin Miłkowski KudoZ activity Questions: 103 (none open) (7 closed without grading) Answers: 35
Local time: 09:39

netikras/tariamas (vertėjo) draugas

Explanation:
netikras/tariamas (vertėjo) draugas

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Note added at 13 min. (2007-10-13 18:32:36 GMT)
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Netikras and tariamas express the same idea in the given context.
Vertėjo means translator's.
Also suits the context :-)

Selected response from:

diana bb
Lithuania
Local time: 10:39

Grading comment

This seems most straightforward to me. I'm going to use this (in "netikras draugas" version).

Thank you all for your help! :)
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

5 +2

netikrasis draugas

svarelis

netikras/tariamas (vertėjo) draugas

diana bb

netikras draugas/draugelis

Gintautas Kaminskas

pseudoekvivalentas

Gineita

apgaulingas draugas

Ramona Krankalyte

2 -1

netikras kognatas

Kristina Radziulyte

1 -1

kitareikšmis žodis

Ernestas Lomsargis

Discussion entries: 7

diana bb

Lithuania

13:04 Oct 15, 2007

Ernestai, you seem to forget that these words will appear in a well-defined linguistically-oriented context. What might be misleading elsewhere, will be very clear in a context of this kind.

Ernestas Lomsargis

10:38 Oct 15, 2007

Diana, the reason is the same as why we don't say "iš naujo apaukite savo sistemą batais" ("please reboot your system") after installing some application in our PCs, etc. As for VLKK discussion, it looks a weaker form of what we are doing here. :-)

diana bb

Lithuania

10:23 Oct 15, 2007

Can't understand why ordinary French, German and English users make sense of 'faux amis', 'falsche Freunde' and 'false friends', and an ordinary Lithuanian user won't make sense of 'netikri draugai'...

diana bb

Lithuania

10:16 Oct 15, 2007

diana bb

Lithuania

10:13 Oct 15, 2007

Here is a link to a discussion of the term in a forum of the State Commission of the Lithuanian language: http://www.vlkk.lt/diskusijos/tema.3139.1.html

Ernestas Lomsargis

10:04 Oct 15, 2007

I still recommend to use something different than word-for-word translation that does not make much sense to user. If my suggestion is too long, another options may be: "kita reikšmė!" ("another meaning!") or „ne ta pati reikšmė" ("not the same meaning").

Marcin Miłkowski

ASKER

Context explanation

09:49 Oct 15, 2007

Now I'm pretty overwhelmed with the number of answers and the fact that nobody has agreed with anyone else... That's weird...

Anyway, the context I want to use this is a user interface option in LanguageTool - this is a part of the name of a rule that detects possible false friends. So this should be concise and clear. You can see the user interface in a Java Web Start version at www.languagetool.org (BTW, we don't have too many rules for Lithuanian, so if you want to contribute, please feel free to do so).

Answers

11 mins confidence:

netikras draugas/draugelis

Explanation:
I personally haven't heard it used in this context, but it seems reasonable that it could be. Other translators will no doubt comment on this.

Example sentence(s):

Nepasitikėkite „netikrų draugelių“ – žodžių, kurie panašūs į kitos kalbos žodžios,
bet turi kitą prasmę.

Gintautas Kaminskas
Australia
Local time: 17:39
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Lithuanian
PRO pts in category: 4

8 mins confidence:

netikras/tariamas (vertėjo) draugas

diana bb
Lithuania
Local time: 10:39
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Lithuanian
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

This seems most straightforward to me. I'm going to use this (in "netikras draugas" version).

Thank you all for your help! :)

1 hr confidence:

pseudoekvivalentas

Explanation:
Esu mačiusi tokį 'false friend' vertima kazkur.

Gineita
Local time: 10:39
Specializes in field

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

netikrasis draugas

Explanation:
Vertimo teorijoje "netikrasis draugas" - tai vertima klaidinantis zodis. Pavyzdziui, EN "Sympathy", rodos, butu "simpatija", taciau lietuviu kalboje tai yra "gailestis, uzuojauta". Taigi, "sympathy" yra "false friend" - "netikrasis draugas".

svarelis
Lithuania
Local time: 10:39
Native speaker of: Lithuanian

1 day 3 hrs confidence:

apgaulingas draugas

Explanation:
gal dar koks klastingas

Ramona Krankalyte
Local time: 10:39
Native speaker of:

Lithuanian

1 day 10 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

kitareikšmis žodis

Explanation:
I have a Lithuanian-Latvian phrasebook under my hand. There is a section "Atsargiai – kita reikšmė!", where many words in Lithuanian and Latvian are listed, which are similar phonetically, but different in meaning. So, I would suggest to use this term "kita reikšmė" ("another meaning") from heading. Full translation of "false friend" could be "kitareikšmis žodis" ("another meaning word").

I did not notice anywhere the translations suggested by my colleagues, neither in written nor in spoken form. Ambiguous suggestions that include words "netikras(is) draugas/draugelis" are just word-for-word translations and thus are not recommended.

Ernestas Lomsargis
Local time: 10:39
Native speaker of:

Lithuanian

14 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

netikras kognatas

Explanation:
Tik spėju.

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Note added at 1 diena15 val. (2007-10-15 10:01:06 GMT)
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My suggestion is "netikras kognatas" which means "false cognate".

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Note added at 1 diena16 val. (2007-10-15 11:11:47 GMT)
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I choose then "netikras draugas".

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Note added at 1 diena17 val. (2007-10-15 11:44:06 GMT)
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Arba dar radau: "deceptive cognate" ("klaidinantis kognatas"):

false friend:
synonyms:
false cognate
deceptive cognate
faux ami

daugiau apie netikrus draugus ir kognatus žr.:
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/False friends

Kristina Radziulyte
Lithuania
Local time: 10:39
Native speaker of: Lithuanian

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