history of ownership / ownership history

Hungarian translation: provenancia / eredetigazolás

15:20 Aug 6, 2012
English to Hungarian translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting / authenticication
English term or phrase: history of ownership / ownership history
Absence of documented provenance, or history of ownership, is the cause of most rejections, even when the work is perfectly legitimate from every other standpoint.
Ágnes Lepold
Hungary
Local time: 19:36
Hungarian translation:provenancia / eredetigazolás
Explanation:
Emlékeztem erre a kérdésre, "nagy port kavart annak idején."
Én változatlanul kiállok a válaszom mellett.

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_hungarian/law:_contract...


Visszatérve a kérdésedre. Tudom, hogy a history of ownership előtt or-t írnak a szövegedben, előtte pedig a provenance szerepel, de a kettő ugyanaz.
Szerintem a szövegedben az or itt egyenlőségjelet jelent.
OR = azaz más néven.

http://www.dia.org/art/provenance.aspx

Provenance — the history of an artwork's ownership — has always been an important component of curatorial research at the Detroit Institute of Arts.

http://www.getty.edu/museum/research/provenance/

These pages present the J. Paul Getty Museum's continuing research on the provenance (history of ownership) of works in its collection during the period 1933 to 1945, that is, from the rise to power of the Nazi party to its defeat.

http://www.npg.org.uk/assets/files/pdf/displays/beyondthegal...

Understanding the History of Ownership

What is ‘provenance’?

When applied to art objects the word ‘provenance’
is used to refer to the origin of a work and where it has been since it was created. The provenance of a painting often describes who has owned the picture over time. There are sometimes marks on the backs of paintings which can help to trace its history.
For example, fragments of a label on the back of
the portrait previously thought to be the Duke of Monmouth (NPG 1566), on display in this room, suggest that the portrait was previously owned by the Wray family (see image top right).

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Note added at 27 mins (2012-08-06 15:47:37 GMT)
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Azért nem dobott ki hasznosat, mert a régi kudozban a kérdés nem history of ownership volt, hanem maga az angol provenance szó:

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_hungarian/law:_contract...

Tehát a term search nem is hozhatta ki ezt a kérdést. De látható, hogy híres múzeumok is szinonimaként írnak a kettőről: provenance = history of ownwership
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Katalin Szilárd
Hungary
Local time: 19:36
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5provenancia / eredetigazolás
Katalin Szilárd
5tulajdonjogi igazolások
JANOS SAMU


  

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history of ownership / ownership history = provenance
provenancia / eredetigazolás


Explanation:
Emlékeztem erre a kérdésre, "nagy port kavart annak idején."
Én változatlanul kiállok a válaszom mellett.

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_hungarian/law:_contract...


Visszatérve a kérdésedre. Tudom, hogy a history of ownership előtt or-t írnak a szövegedben, előtte pedig a provenance szerepel, de a kettő ugyanaz.
Szerintem a szövegedben az or itt egyenlőségjelet jelent.
OR = azaz más néven.

http://www.dia.org/art/provenance.aspx

Provenance — the history of an artwork's ownership — has always been an important component of curatorial research at the Detroit Institute of Arts.

http://www.getty.edu/museum/research/provenance/

These pages present the J. Paul Getty Museum's continuing research on the provenance (history of ownership) of works in its collection during the period 1933 to 1945, that is, from the rise to power of the Nazi party to its defeat.

http://www.npg.org.uk/assets/files/pdf/displays/beyondthegal...

Understanding the History of Ownership

What is ‘provenance’?

When applied to art objects the word ‘provenance’
is used to refer to the origin of a work and where it has been since it was created. The provenance of a painting often describes who has owned the picture over time. There are sometimes marks on the backs of paintings which can help to trace its history.
For example, fragments of a label on the back of
the portrait previously thought to be the Duke of Monmouth (NPG 1566), on display in this room, suggest that the portrait was previously owned by the Wray family (see image top right).

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Note added at 27 mins (2012-08-06 15:47:37 GMT)
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Azért nem dobott ki hasznosat, mert a régi kudozban a kérdés nem history of ownership volt, hanem maga az angol provenance szó:

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_hungarian/law:_contract...

Tehát a term search nem is hozhatta ki ezt a kérdést. De látható, hogy híres múzeumok is szinonimaként írnak a kettőről: provenance = history of ownwership

Katalin Szilárd
Hungary
Local time: 19:36
Native speaker of: Native in HungarianHungarian
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Köszönöm a választ! :) Az az érdekes, hogy előtte rákerestem a Term Search-ben, de nem dobott ki semmi hasznosat. :(


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Andras Mohay (X): A "licenc"-ből "liszensz" lett (mint "nonszensz"), az "apostille"-ből "apostil" (mint "apostol"), s most már a "proveniencia" is "provenanciá"-vá barbárosodott? Akkor miért nem inkább "provenansz"? :-)
2 days 4 hrs
  -> Igaz: az i hiányzik.:) ProvenIencia http://tinyurl.com/8g2hzlv A műkincs-kereskedelem öldöklő világában egyvalami számít szentnek és sérthetetlennek. A proveniencia, egy írásos nyilvántartás arról, hogy korábban kiknek a tulajdonában volt egy festmény.
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32 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
tulajdonjogi igazolások


Explanation:
Itt arról volt szó, hogy kinek a tulajdonában volt korábban a műalkotás és a mostani tulajdonos hogyan szerzett rá tulajdonjogot. Ezért használtam általánosan és többes számban.

JANOS SAMU
United States
Local time: 11:36
PRO pts in category: 8
Notes to answerer
Asker: Köszönöm a választ!

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