Hindustani or Hindi?

Hindi translation: मेमोरी कार्ड, फ्लैश ड्राइव

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English term or phrase:Hindustani or Hindi?
Hindi translation:मेमोरी कार्ड, फ्लैश ड्राइव
Entered by: OSW

11:46 Mar 18, 2009
English to Hindi translations [Non-PRO]
Linguistics / language
English term or phrase: Hindustani or Hindi?
The same question has come back again and is causing a little confusion. So, I hope those of you who kindly replied last time, can do so again :)

I just need to clarify the following:
1) Is there a difference between writing in Hindustani and Hindi?
3) Can you write "Memory Card" and "flash drive" in Hindustani?

Your help would be much appreciated. If the language requested was Hindi, there would be no query at all, but I have only just come across Hindustani.

Many thanks
OSW
Local time: 19:44
मेमोरी कार्ड, फ्लैश ड्राइव
Explanation:
no difference between writing in Hindustani and Hindi

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Note added at 6 mins (2009-03-18 11:52:55 GMT)
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दरअसल हिंदुस्तानी का अर्थ आम बोल-चाल की ऐसी भाषा जिसमें हिंदी, उर्दू के अलावा स्थानीय बोलियों का सुंदर समावेश हो।

Memory Card" and "flash drive" in Hindustani - मेमोरी कार्ड, फ़्लैश ड्राइव


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Note added at 14 mins (2009-03-18 12:00:17 GMT)
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मुझे लगता है कि अनुवाद की दृष्टि से आपसे ऐसी हिंदी की माँग की जा रही है जिसमें हिंदी, उर्दू का सहज और सुंदर समन्वय हो। साथ ही यह सरल हो। बहुत क्लिष्ट संस्कृतनिष्ठ हिंदी का प्रयोग न हो।

हिंदुस्तानी भाषा पर इस लिंक में अच्छी जानकारी दी गई है
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustani_language

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Note added at 17 mins (2009-03-18 12:03:40 GMT)
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उदाहरण के लिए आप बीबीसी हिंदी सेवा की भाषा देखें। उसे आज की हिंदुस्तानी भाषा कहा जा सकता है, क्योंकि वहाँ पर हिंदी और उर्दू तथा साथ ही अंग्रेज़ी के प्रचलित शब्दों का सुंदर समन्वय किया जाता है। इसके अलावा मुहावरों और बोलियों से आई लोकोक्तियों का भी प्रयोग होता है।

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Note added at 31 mins (2009-03-18 12:17:41 GMT)
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Contemporarily, Hindustani is primarily written in the Devanagari script or the Perso-Arabic script. However, the Kaithi script was the historical popular script for the language. Hindi, one standardized register of Hindustani, utilizes the Devanagari script while Urdu, the other standardized register of Hindustani utilizes the Perso-Arabic script, with Nasta`liq being the preferred calligraphic style for Urdu.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustani_language#Writing_sys...

इसलिए देवनागरी लिपि में हिंदुस्तानी और हिंदी दोनों में ही Memory Card" और "flash drive" को मेमोरी कार्ड, फ़्लैश ड्राइव लिखा जाएगा।


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Note added at 47 mins (2009-03-18 12:33:23 GMT)
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"Before the Partition of British India, the terms Hindustani and Urdu were synonymous; both covered what would be called Urdu and Hindi today....
In recent times, the word Hindustani has been used for the intentionally neutral language of Bollywood films, which are popular in both India and Pakistan....
In a specific sense, "Hindustani" may be used to refer to the dialects and varieties used in common speech, in contrast with the standardized Hindi and Urdu. This meaning is reflected in the use of the term "bazaar Hindustani," in other words, the "language of the street or the marketplace", as opposed to the perceived refinement of formal Hindi, Urdu, or even Sanskrit. Thus, the Webster's New World Dictionary defines the term Hindustani as the principal dialect of Hindi/Urdu, used as a trade language throughout north India and Pakistan...."

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustani_language)
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Lalit Sati
India
Local time: 01:14
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Thank you :)
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4 +6मेमोरी कार्ड, फ्लैश ड्राइव
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hindustani or hindi?
मेमोरी कार्ड, फ्लैश ड्राइव


Explanation:
no difference between writing in Hindustani and Hindi

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Note added at 6 mins (2009-03-18 11:52:55 GMT)
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दरअसल हिंदुस्तानी का अर्थ आम बोल-चाल की ऐसी भाषा जिसमें हिंदी, उर्दू के अलावा स्थानीय बोलियों का सुंदर समावेश हो।

Memory Card" and "flash drive" in Hindustani - मेमोरी कार्ड, फ़्लैश ड्राइव


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Note added at 14 mins (2009-03-18 12:00:17 GMT)
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मुझे लगता है कि अनुवाद की दृष्टि से आपसे ऐसी हिंदी की माँग की जा रही है जिसमें हिंदी, उर्दू का सहज और सुंदर समन्वय हो। साथ ही यह सरल हो। बहुत क्लिष्ट संस्कृतनिष्ठ हिंदी का प्रयोग न हो।

हिंदुस्तानी भाषा पर इस लिंक में अच्छी जानकारी दी गई है
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustani_language

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Note added at 17 mins (2009-03-18 12:03:40 GMT)
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उदाहरण के लिए आप बीबीसी हिंदी सेवा की भाषा देखें। उसे आज की हिंदुस्तानी भाषा कहा जा सकता है, क्योंकि वहाँ पर हिंदी और उर्दू तथा साथ ही अंग्रेज़ी के प्रचलित शब्दों का सुंदर समन्वय किया जाता है। इसके अलावा मुहावरों और बोलियों से आई लोकोक्तियों का भी प्रयोग होता है।

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Note added at 31 mins (2009-03-18 12:17:41 GMT)
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Contemporarily, Hindustani is primarily written in the Devanagari script or the Perso-Arabic script. However, the Kaithi script was the historical popular script for the language. Hindi, one standardized register of Hindustani, utilizes the Devanagari script while Urdu, the other standardized register of Hindustani utilizes the Perso-Arabic script, with Nasta`liq being the preferred calligraphic style for Urdu.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustani_language#Writing_sys...

इसलिए देवनागरी लिपि में हिंदुस्तानी और हिंदी दोनों में ही Memory Card" और "flash drive" को मेमोरी कार्ड, फ़्लैश ड्राइव लिखा जाएगा।


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Note added at 47 mins (2009-03-18 12:33:23 GMT)
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"Before the Partition of British India, the terms Hindustani and Urdu were synonymous; both covered what would be called Urdu and Hindi today....
In recent times, the word Hindustani has been used for the intentionally neutral language of Bollywood films, which are popular in both India and Pakistan....
In a specific sense, "Hindustani" may be used to refer to the dialects and varieties used in common speech, in contrast with the standardized Hindi and Urdu. This meaning is reflected in the use of the term "bazaar Hindustani," in other words, the "language of the street or the marketplace", as opposed to the perceived refinement of formal Hindi, Urdu, or even Sanskrit. Thus, the Webster's New World Dictionary defines the term Hindustani as the principal dialect of Hindi/Urdu, used as a trade language throughout north India and Pakistan...."

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustani_language)

Lalit Sati
India
Local time: 01:14
Native speaker of: Native in HindiHindi
Grading comment
Thank you :)

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Balasubramaniam L.: मेमरी कार्ड. शायद आपको हिंदी-हिंदुस्तानी के ऐतिहासिक पृष्ठभूमि भी समझानी चाहिए ताकि ओएसडब्ल्यू को यह बात स्पष्ट हो। उनका मुख्य प्रश्न भी यही है।
2 mins
  -> धन्यवाद, बालाजी। मुझे लगता है कि विकीपीडिया की जानकारी इस संदर्भ में पर्याप्त है। यदि कुछ और जोड़ने की आवश्यकता हो तो बताएं।

agree  sukirat anand: I think OSW is getting confused about the scripts. The note above on scripts used should sort this confusion.
3 hrs
  -> धन्यवाद, सुकीरत जी।

agree  satish krishna itikela
4 hrs
  -> धन्यवाद, सतीश जी।

agree  agave: OSW just needs to remember that Hindi/Hindustani can be understood by speakers of Urdu, but since the scripts are very different, generally Urdu speakers can't read Hindi and vice versa.
4 hrs
  -> धन्यवाद। लेकिन हिंदुस्तानी, हिंदी, उर्दू के रिश्तों व इतिहास को एक कुडोज़ उत्तर में समेटना मुश्किल काम है। सच बात तो यह है कि इस पर भाषाविज्ञानियों की ही भिन्न राय हैं। जैसे आपकी टिप्पणी में Hindi/Hindustani और Urdu दो श्रेणियाँ हैं जबकि अतीत में ऐसा नहीं

agree  rtpushpa
11 hrs
  -> धन्यवाद!

agree  punam
5 days
  -> धन्यवाद!
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