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Non-Citizen Nationals

Arabic translation: المواطنون بلا جنسية

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English term or phrase:Non-Citizen Nationals
Arabic translation:المواطنون بلا جنسية
Entered by: Saleh Ayyub

05:34 Oct 28, 2004
English to Arabic translations [PRO]
Law (general)
English term or phrase: Non-Citizen Nationals
USA
Yasser El Helw
Egypt
Local time: 02:49
المواطنون بلا جنسية
Explanation:
Saleh

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Note added at 15 mins (2004-10-28 05:50:08 GMT)
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There are some national of a particular country that are denied or not granted the citizenship of a courty for some reason or an other. This of course is considered a persecution under the refugee convention law.

Saleh
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Saleh Ayyub
New Zealand
Local time: 12:49
Grading comment
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
5 +4المواطنون بلا جنسية
Saleh Ayyub
5 +1رعايا من غير المواطنين، وتحديداً، رعايا من غير مواطني الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية
ArabicSoft
3 +2المقيمين غير المواطنين
Viviane MA
3المقيمون غير المتجنسين
shay_k
3 -1البدون
ocean2gulf
3 -3الأجانب المقيمين بالولايات
Sam Berner


Discussion entries: 3





  

Answers


3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
non-citizen nationals
المقيمين غير المواطنين


Explanation:
it seemed logical to me

Viviane MA
United States
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Sam Berner: shouldn't there be a من between the two?
10 mins
  -> I don't think we need a من in between, and as far as I know اجانب are adressed as foreigners or aliens
agree  Demosthene: right, they live in the country but keep their own nationalities
1 hr
agree  Mohammed Abdelhady
1 hr
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13 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +4
non-citizen nationals
المواطنون بلا جنسية


Explanation:
Saleh

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Note added at 15 mins (2004-10-28 05:50:08 GMT)
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There are some national of a particular country that are denied or not granted the citizenship of a courty for some reason or an other. This of course is considered a persecution under the refugee convention law.

Saleh

Saleh Ayyub
New Zealand
Local time: 12:49
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 44

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Sam Berner: A citizen without a citizenship sounds confusing a bit
1 min
  -> It is not confusing, but it is illegal, and is considered a persecution and denial of rights.
agree  Hanan Ghannoum
1 hr
  -> Thank you
agree  Nesrin: more clarification here www.jagcnet.army.mil/.../0/ 6b502363e97cad6d85256a05005df34a?OpenDocument&ExpandSection
2 hrs
  -> Thanks
agree  Mohamed Gaafar
1 day 4 hrs
  -> Thank you
agree  AhmedAMS
7 days
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12 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -3
non-citizen nationals
الأجانب المقيمين بالولايات


Explanation:
If they are not citizens, then they are foreigners. You'd have to provide me with a definition of the "non-citizen national" for me to decide whether they are holders of some form of residence permit.

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Note added at 18 mins (2004-10-28 05:53:20 GMT)
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I found this definition of \"US national\", and have to admit that it will be hard to find an Arabic legal equivalent. (a) (22) The term \'\'national of the United States\'\' means

(A) a citizen of the United States, or

(B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent [but not necessarily exclusive] allegiance to the United States.

Scrap the above answer, as these are obviously neither \"foreigners\" nor permanent residents, nor citizens.


Sam Berner
Australia
Local time: 10:49
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 24

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Saleh Ayyub: wait for others to express their view Sam. This expression exist and some time it is called مواطنون بدون جنسية.
5 mins
  -> See above.
neutral  Viviane MA: I suppose nationals are the green card holders
17 mins
disagree  Mohammed Abdelhady: non-citizen nationals are not only in the USA !!
1 hr
disagree  ArabicSoft: This term does not refer to expatriates in the United States. The term NON-CITIZEN NATIONALS in the US refers to persons born in American Samoa and Swains Island.
3 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
non-citizen nationals
المقيمون غير المتجنسين


Explanation:
they are considered US natonals but they have not gone through the the process of becoming a citizen

shay_k
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
non-citizen nationals
رعايا من غير المواطنين، وتحديداً، رعايا من غير مواطني الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية


Explanation:
Although all citizens of the United States are nationals of the United States, some United States nationals are not United States citizens. Historically, non-citizen nationals have been persons born in outlying territories of the United States (currently, American Samoa and Swains Island).
الإشارة هنا إلى من يُعَدُّون من رعايا الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية غير أنهم لا يحملون الجنسية الأمريكية، ويُقصد تحديداً مواطنو ساموا الأمريكية وجزيرة سوينز.

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Note added at 4 hrs 17 mins (2004-10-28 09:51:56 GMT) Post-grading
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يُستخدم هذا المصطلح تحديداً في الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية


    Reference: http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/briefs/2003/0responses/2003-0445.re...
ArabicSoft
United Arab Emirates
Local time: 04:49
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic
PRO pts in category: 31

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  AhmedAMS
7 days
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
non-citizen nationals
البدون


Explanation:
This is the term used in Arabic for non-national citizens. In some Arab countries such as UAE and Kuwait some citizens are denied nationality and they are called "Al Bedoun"

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Note added at 10 hrs 16 mins (2004-10-28 15:50:50 GMT) Post-grading
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Please check the following URLs:
http://www.hrinfo.net/hotcase/04/bedwn.shtml
http://www.alarabiya.tv/Article.aspx?v=2714
http://www.alazmina.info/issue253/04.html

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Note added at 10 hrs 23 mins (2004-10-28 15:57:31 GMT) Post-grading
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http://bedon.8m.net/

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Note added at 10 hrs 30 mins (2004-10-28 16:04:35 GMT) Post-grading
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http://bedon.8m.net/

ocean2gulf
Egypt
Local time: 02:49
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  ArabicSoft: I have read the three URLs. They discuss, in Arabic, a different issue. The بدون are called "the stateless" in English.This is the term used in Kuwait and the Gulf in general. We are discussing a term used mainly in the US here. Regards.
2 hrs
  -> Please check the provided URLs first!!!
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