He of the Two Ladies

Arabic translation: The Nbty - Al-Nbty

02:52 Nov 14, 2004
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Social Sciences - Archaeology / Egyptology
English term or phrase: He of the Two Ladies
It is one of the five titles of ancient Egyptian kings, the Two Ladies here indicate the goddesses Wadjet and Nekhbet who happened to be patron goddesses of historically most powerful cities in lower and upper Egypt. The subject matter here is Egyptology.
Ahmed Reffat
Local time: 03:13
Arabic translation:The Nbty - Al-Nbty
Explanation:
The second name was called the Nbty, or "Two Ladies"-name. Nbt was the Egyptian word for "Lady", pluralized by adding the "y". In this case, the Two Ladies referred to are the goddesses of Upper and Lower Egypt, Nekhbet of El-Kab in Upper Egypt, and Wadjet of Buto in the Delta, two of the most important cities of the Predynastic northern and southern chiefdoms. The Two Ladies name, or "He who belongs to the Two ladies" placed the king under the protection of Nekhbet and Wadjet and thus represented the close association with both regions of Egypt and the duality of the geographical balance of the Two Lands in the person of the king.

good luck Ahmed

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Note added at 2 days 3 hrs 38 mins (2004-11-16 06:30:58 GMT)
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The 5 names and the Accompanying Title

1- Horus name “Horus”
2- Nebty or Two ladies “He of the Two Ladies” (Wadjet and Nekhbet)
3- Golden Horus “Golden Horus”
4- Throne name or prenomen “He of the Sedge and the Bee” (king of Upper and Lower Egypt)
5- Birth name or nomen “ Son of Re”

So Ahmed ...the royal names of Tutankhamun\"s توت آن خامون would be as follow:

1- Horus Name: Ka-nakht tut-mesut “Strong bull, fitting from created forms”
*2- Nebty Name: Nefer-hepu segereh-tawy sehetep-netjeru nebu “Dynamic of laws, who calms the Two lands, who propitiates all the gods”
3- Golden Horus Name: Wetjes-khau sehetep-netjeru “ whodisplays the regalia, who propitiates all the gods”
4- Throne Name: Nesu-bity Nebkheperu-re “king of upper and lower Egypt, lord of the manifestations of Re”
5- Birth Name: Tut-ankh-aten “Living image of the Aten”. Tutankhamun later changed his original birth name to his more commonly known adopted name: Sa-re Tutankhamun (heqa-iunu-shema) “ Son of Re, living image of Amun, (ruler of Upper Egyptian Helopolis)”

I hope all this is useful to you Ahmed : )
Best regards,
Zarka
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Arabicstart
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Thank you very much Zarka for your resourceful information, it helped a lot and it is really interesting.Best regards, Ahmed

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4 +1ملك الأرضين أو صاحب التاجين
Fuad Yahya
5The Nbty - Al-Nbty
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he of the two ladies
ملك الأرضين أو صاحب التاجين


Explanation:
أو ما شابه ذلك
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اطَّلع على الصفحة التالية
http://www.orianit.edu-negev.gov.il/migzar1/sites/homepage/n...

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Note added at 1 day 2 hrs 20 mins (2004-11-15 05:13:25 GMT)
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If the meaning you are looking for is \"protected by the two goddesses,\" you should state that as the head term. Remember, this board is English to Arabic, not Anceint Egyptian to Arabic. Terms like \"nebty\" or \"nswt bity\" do not ring a bell for most of us.

If you want to inject the word \"protected\" in the expression, then the Arabic word مَحروس is well known, but I would keep clear of مُحسَّب

As to \"the Two Ladies,\" the choice will depend on the shade of meaning you are looking for. I do not know how faithful the English expression \"the Two Ladies\" is to the original meaning or to the meaining you are looking for. To my mind, الإلهتين probably communicates the concept best. But if that is not accurate enough, then you can choose from a plethora of Arabic words for \"female persons\" with many shades of meaning, including سـيدتين


    Reference: http://www.orianit.edu-negev.gov.il/migzar1/sites/homepage/n...
Fuad Yahya
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Thank you very much Mr.Fuad; however the title corresponding to ملك الأرضينwould be the ancient Egyptian "nswt bity" or King of the Two Lands.Zarka gave an authentic interpretation of the title however the proposed equivalent is ambiguios in Arabic, since it is transliteration of the title in Ancient Egyptian. Therefore, it should represent a missing concept in Arabic. Do you believe that ال(نبتي( is a communicative equivalent to the title in issue?

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Comment: Thank you very much Mr.Fuad; however the title corresponding to ملك الأرضينwould be the ancient Egyptian "nswt bity" or King of the Two Lands.Zarka gave an authentic interpretation of the title however the proposed equivalent is ambiguios in Arabic, since it is transliteration of the title in Ancient Egyptian. Therefore, it should represent a missing concept in Arabic. Do you believe that ال(نبتي( is a communicative equivalent to the title in issue?

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he of the two ladies
The Nbty - Al-Nbty


Explanation:
The second name was called the Nbty, or "Two Ladies"-name. Nbt was the Egyptian word for "Lady", pluralized by adding the "y". In this case, the Two Ladies referred to are the goddesses of Upper and Lower Egypt, Nekhbet of El-Kab in Upper Egypt, and Wadjet of Buto in the Delta, two of the most important cities of the Predynastic northern and southern chiefdoms. The Two Ladies name, or "He who belongs to the Two ladies" placed the king under the protection of Nekhbet and Wadjet and thus represented the close association with both regions of Egypt and the duality of the geographical balance of the Two Lands in the person of the king.

good luck Ahmed

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Note added at 2 days 3 hrs 38 mins (2004-11-16 06:30:58 GMT)
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The 5 names and the Accompanying Title

1- Horus name “Horus”
2- Nebty or Two ladies “He of the Two Ladies” (Wadjet and Nekhbet)
3- Golden Horus “Golden Horus”
4- Throne name or prenomen “He of the Sedge and the Bee” (king of Upper and Lower Egypt)
5- Birth name or nomen “ Son of Re”

So Ahmed ...the royal names of Tutankhamun\"s توت آن خامون would be as follow:

1- Horus Name: Ka-nakht tut-mesut “Strong bull, fitting from created forms”
*2- Nebty Name: Nefer-hepu segereh-tawy sehetep-netjeru nebu “Dynamic of laws, who calms the Two lands, who propitiates all the gods”
3- Golden Horus Name: Wetjes-khau sehetep-netjeru “ whodisplays the regalia, who propitiates all the gods”
4- Throne Name: Nesu-bity Nebkheperu-re “king of upper and lower Egypt, lord of the manifestations of Re”
5- Birth Name: Tut-ankh-aten “Living image of the Aten”. Tutankhamun later changed his original birth name to his more commonly known adopted name: Sa-re Tutankhamun (heqa-iunu-shema) “ Son of Re, living image of Amun, (ruler of Upper Egyptian Helopolis)”

I hope all this is useful to you Ahmed : )
Best regards,
Zarka


Arabicstart
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Thank you very much Zarka for your resourceful information, it helped a lot and it is really interesting.Best regards, Ahmed
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