Wiel

English translation: to sit on someone\'s wheel

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Dutch term or phrase:in iemands wiel zitten
English translation:to sit on someone\'s wheel
Entered by: Neil Morrison

16:38 Jan 31, 2014
Dutch to English translations [Non-PRO]
Sports / Fitness / Recreation / Cycling terms
Dutch term or phrase: Wiel
In a (Belgian) text including interviews with cycling champions, I keep encountering a curious use of 'wiel':

"...hij sprong weg op de Boomsesteenweg en ik zat in zijn wiel."

"... hij is toen nog plat gereden en Frans Van Looy heeft toen zijn wiel gegeven".

"Ik wist dat ik in het wiel van hem moest zitten."

Is this something to do with gears? I don't really know that much when it comes to bikes....
Neil Morrison
Spain
Local time: 07:58
to sit on someone's wheel
Explanation:
try Google "sit on someone's wheel"

'iemand je wiel geven' could be translated as 'allow someone to sit on your wheel', for example.

Just a few examples, you will also see variants

Basic cycling do’s/don’ts, tip’s & etiquette

The closer you can get behind the cyclist in front the more shelter you will get the more energy you will save, up to 20%! When you are tucked in behind someone, ‘holding a wheel’, always keep your front wheel slightly to the right of theirs then if they do flick you have somewhere to go, sit to the left and you are in the hedge, at best!

When holding a wheel always have hands, preferably, on your brakes but certainly within a finger’s movement from them. Never sit on someone’s wheel down on your tri-bars. This maybe ok for a team time trial during the Tour De France but not for club/training runs.

http://tinyurl.com/n7nuxvq

I'm glad I read this post, I hadn't stopped to consider how the people I drafted on the three occasions might feel. Come to think of I wouldn't feel comfortable as a bloke if some unknown cyclist hung on my rear wheel for a mile or more. Having considered it, If I was a woman I would feel very uncomfortable and to be honest, quite scared.

I just think it is really, really bad manners to sit on someone's wheel without asking. I always make a point of slowing and gesturing people though when it is done to me & if they don't take the hint I tend to make it unpleasantly obvious how I feel about it.

http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=80472&start=45

Data from testing in the 1990s showed that riding 30cm behind another rider at 20mph reduces drag by around 20% – just for taking someone’s wheel (1). This is the reason why stage race contenders rarely are seen at the front until it matters; they let other riders shield them until their climbing, sprinting or attacking legs are needed.

As speed rises, the need to hold the wheel becomes ever more important; behind a rider at 30mph, you only feel the same drag as if you were riding solo at 24mph.

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/cycling-training-aerodynamic...

If I met you on the road then yeah it would reflect it. If you think that is insulting then try sitting on my wheel.

http://www.tritalk.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1003356

Armstrong:

"Kevin's job is to get behind Zulle and stay right behind his wheel. making it harder for Zulle to pull up the hill. It's called "sitting on him". While Kevin "sat" on Zulle's wheel and slowed him down. the rest of my Postal team-mates pulled me, riding in front of me, allowing me to draft and catch up."

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=10465

Glossary of cycling

follow a wheel = the ability to follow a wheel is the ability to match the pace of riders who are setting the tempo. Following is easier than pulling or setting the tempo and the term can be used in a derogatory manner, e.g. "He only ever followed".

leech = a rider who drafts behind others to reduce his effort, but does not reciprocate. Also wheelsucking

on your wheel = the condition of being very close to the rear wheel of the rider ahead of you. Used to inform the rider that you have positioned yourself in their slipstream for optimum drafting. For example: "I'm on your wheel"

wheelsucker, wheelsucking = rider who sits on the rear wheel of others in a group or on another rider, enjoying the draft but not working. Also leech, leeching.

Of course 'drafting is the general term' but the question is 'in iemands wiel zitten'

drafting = to ride closely behind another rider to make maximum use of their slipstream, reducing wind resistance and effort required to ride at the same speed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_cycling
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Barend van Zadelhoff
Netherlands
Local time: 07:58
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4 +2to sit on someone's wheel
Barend van Zadelhoff
4 +1draft; follow in someone's slipstream
Michael Beijer


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in iemands wiel rijden/zitten; in het wiel rijden; aan iemand blijven plakken
draft; follow in someone's slipstream


Explanation:
I think the author is referring to cycling/following in someone's slipstream (aka drafting) in your first and third example. Your second example is something different, as freek said in his discussion entry.

See e.g.:

'plakken: aan iemand blijven plakken: steeds in zijn wiel blijven' (http://www.wvterheijden.nl/wielertaal.php )

'Larsson briefly tried to pursue Cancellara but was warned by race officials about following in his slipstream.' (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=cycling&id=44996... )

'Tour de France moments arrived with Staveley rider Rob Jebb standing on the pedals of his white bicycle with James Dobbin from Dorking following in his slipstream, the two riders finishing joint first.' (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/may/25/lake-dist... )

'They draft one another, a key strategy in which one cyclist leads while the others conserve energy by following in his slipstream. Team members pace the race to play to one another’s strengths and to mitigate weaknesses.' (Competing on the Edge: Strategy as Structured Chaos
: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Q86Vr44OkwgC&pg=PA62&lpg=... )

https://www.google.co.uk/search?espv=210&es_sm=122&biw=1536&... (Google search for: in his slipstream cycling)


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Note added at 3 hrs (2014-01-31 19:45:20 GMT)
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Looks like the most common terms for this are:

'drafting' + 'riding in someone's slipstream'

('riding in someone's wheel', although understood, seems to be used only occasionally)

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drafting_(aerodynamics)

Example sentence(s):
  • Larsson briefly tried to pursue Cancellara but was warned by race officials about following in his slipstream.
  • Tour de France moments arrived with Staveley rider Rob Jebb standing on the pedals of his white bicycle with James Dobbin from Dorking following in his slipstream, the two riders finishing joint first.
Michael Beijer
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:58
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 20

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Nicole Coesel: Correct :)
1 hr
  -> Thanks!

neutral  freekfluweel: geen "wiel" te bekennen, kan ook gelden bij schaatsen, varen, etc. Bovendien vraagtekens bij connotatie. "Slipstream" is mij te passief terwijl "in wiel zitten" duidelijk aangeeft dat volger er overheen wil!
13 hrs
  -> http://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2011/aug/25...
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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
in iemands wiel zitten
to sit on someone's wheel


Explanation:
try Google "sit on someone's wheel"

'iemand je wiel geven' could be translated as 'allow someone to sit on your wheel', for example.

Just a few examples, you will also see variants

Basic cycling do’s/don’ts, tip’s & etiquette

The closer you can get behind the cyclist in front the more shelter you will get the more energy you will save, up to 20%! When you are tucked in behind someone, ‘holding a wheel’, always keep your front wheel slightly to the right of theirs then if they do flick you have somewhere to go, sit to the left and you are in the hedge, at best!

When holding a wheel always have hands, preferably, on your brakes but certainly within a finger’s movement from them. Never sit on someone’s wheel down on your tri-bars. This maybe ok for a team time trial during the Tour De France but not for club/training runs.

http://tinyurl.com/n7nuxvq

I'm glad I read this post, I hadn't stopped to consider how the people I drafted on the three occasions might feel. Come to think of I wouldn't feel comfortable as a bloke if some unknown cyclist hung on my rear wheel for a mile or more. Having considered it, If I was a woman I would feel very uncomfortable and to be honest, quite scared.

I just think it is really, really bad manners to sit on someone's wheel without asking. I always make a point of slowing and gesturing people though when it is done to me & if they don't take the hint I tend to make it unpleasantly obvious how I feel about it.

http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=80472&start=45

Data from testing in the 1990s showed that riding 30cm behind another rider at 20mph reduces drag by around 20% – just for taking someone’s wheel (1). This is the reason why stage race contenders rarely are seen at the front until it matters; they let other riders shield them until their climbing, sprinting or attacking legs are needed.

As speed rises, the need to hold the wheel becomes ever more important; behind a rider at 30mph, you only feel the same drag as if you were riding solo at 24mph.

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/cycling-training-aerodynamic...

If I met you on the road then yeah it would reflect it. If you think that is insulting then try sitting on my wheel.

http://www.tritalk.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1003356

Armstrong:

"Kevin's job is to get behind Zulle and stay right behind his wheel. making it harder for Zulle to pull up the hill. It's called "sitting on him". While Kevin "sat" on Zulle's wheel and slowed him down. the rest of my Postal team-mates pulled me, riding in front of me, allowing me to draft and catch up."

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=10465

Glossary of cycling

follow a wheel = the ability to follow a wheel is the ability to match the pace of riders who are setting the tempo. Following is easier than pulling or setting the tempo and the term can be used in a derogatory manner, e.g. "He only ever followed".

leech = a rider who drafts behind others to reduce his effort, but does not reciprocate. Also wheelsucking

on your wheel = the condition of being very close to the rear wheel of the rider ahead of you. Used to inform the rider that you have positioned yourself in their slipstream for optimum drafting. For example: "I'm on your wheel"

wheelsucker, wheelsucking = rider who sits on the rear wheel of others in a group or on another rider, enjoying the draft but not working. Also leech, leeching.

Of course 'drafting is the general term' but the question is 'in iemands wiel zitten'

drafting = to ride closely behind another rider to make maximum use of their slipstream, reducing wind resistance and effort required to ride at the same speed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_cycling

Barend van Zadelhoff
Netherlands
Local time: 07:58
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  freekfluweel: moet wel "wiel" in de vertaling zitten! http://www.roadbikerider.com/riding-skills/basic-skills/cycl...
5 hrs
  -> Dank je, Freek. Als het even kan wel. En het kan, niet zo'n klein beetje ook. Goeie ref ook, Freek.

agree  Michael Beijer: Both our answers are correct. Depends on what you want to emphasise. Good research.
7 hrs
  -> Dank je, Michael. Het gaat mij om het Engelse equivalent van/antwoord op de vraag 'in iemands wiel zitten' = 'sit on someone's wheel'. 'drafting' is de vertaling van 'in iemands slipstream rijden'.
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