post

English translation: position

19:55 Feb 23, 2010

Dutch to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Insurance / acceptance

Dutch term or phrase: post

From a company satisfaction survey answered by a person working in the 'acceptatie verdeling' (acceptance department?)of an insurance company in the Netherlands:
1. Voelt vaak dat het interne gevecht om een post te mogen doen zwaarder is dan het externe gevecht om de post te kunnen doen.
2. Beleid afgelopen periode ten aanzien van premie (verhogingen en geen verlagingen) is niet goed geweest en te laat bijgesteld waardoor posten onnodig verloren zijn gegaan.

Many thanks to anyone who has time to reply!

Jo Simons (X) KudoZ activity Questions: 26 (1 open) Answers: 2
Local time: 05:27

English translation:position

Explanation:
see discussion entry

Selected response from:

Barend van Zadelhoff
Netherlands
Local time: 06:27

Grading comment

Many thanks for your detailed and helpful response to what was a very tricky question, for helping me to make sense of it all, and for answering what was really 3 different queries. Very much appreciated!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

taak

Atanas Business

4 +1

account

Ron Willems

role

Mark Straver

position

Barend van Zadelhoff

Discussion entries: 4

Ron Willems

Netherlands

illustratie van account / client in deze context

18:19 Feb 26, 2010

Accountmanager

Als accountmanager ben je verantwoordelijk voor een aantal klanten van je bedrijf of organisatie. Je denkt met deze klanten (‘accounts’) mee en investeert op allerlei manieren in hen.
http://www.carrieretijger.nl/beroep/economie-management/comm...

Ron Willems

Netherlands

mosterd na de maaltijd ...

18:07 Feb 26, 2010

... wellicht, maar als de "post" hier een "position" zou zijn en geen "klantaccount", hoe verklaar je dan de 2e zin?

"Beleid afgelopen periode ten aanzien van premie (verhogingen en geen verlagingen) is niet goed geweest en te laat bijgesteld waardoor posten onnodig verloren zijn gegaan."

Dat kan ik goed rijmen met de interpretatie van "(client) account" (de premies waren te hoog, zodat klanten naar andere verzekeraars zijn uitgeweken), maar niet met een interpretatie als "position".

Ook in de eerste zin vind ik "account" trouwens veel logischer dan "position": het interne gevecht (tussen afdelingen of personen) om een bepaalde account te mogen doen, is zwaarder dan het externe gevecht (met concurrerende verzekeraars) om een bepaalde account (=klant) binnen te halen.

Barend van Zadelhoff

Netherlands

post

06:05 Feb 24, 2010

the phrase "een post mogen doen" is most peculiar
but the most likely meaning of "posten" in "waardoor posten onnodig verloren zijn gegaan" is: "post", "position" = a job, especially an important one in a large organization

in this context I would have used "functies" for that matter

we know now that the most likely meaning of "post" is "post", "position", "job"

I would like to paraphrase sentence 1. (you must know that this "interne en externe gevecht" is code language to a certain extent as well)

1. Voelt vaak dat het interne gevecht (het gevecht binnen de organisatie) om een bepaalde functie te mogen vervullen (it would seem to me that "in de wacht te slepen" is much more in place here, since there is a certain contradiction between "mogen" and "het gevecht") zwaarder is dan het externe gevecht (het gevecht buiten de afdeling of los van de afdeling ?) om een functie bevredigend/ naar behoren ("kunnen") te vervullen

..... the amount of effort needed to secure a certain position within the organization is much larger than the amount of effort needed to perform well in a certain position

Barend van Zadelhoff

Netherlands

"acceptatie verdeling"

05:50 Feb 24, 2010

"acceptatie verdeling" should indeed be "acceptatieafdeling"

insurance companies have "acceptatieafdelingen" that accept or reject applications

Answers

46 mins confidence:

taak

Explanation:
Het woord 'post' wordt nogal eens als dialect gebruikt om de term "werk", "taak", "opdracht" aan te duiden

Atanas Business
Local time: 07:27
Native speaker of:

Flemish,

Dutch

Notes to answerer

Asker: Many thanks for your input on this, it was very hard to choose a person to award the points to as everyone had different views and were all so helpful. I have made a note of your comments for future reference, and hope I can do the same for you some time.

10 hrs confidence:

position

Explanation:
see discussion entry

Barend van Zadelhoff
Netherlands
Local time: 06:27
Native speaker of:

Dutch
PRO pts in category: 12

Grading comment

15 hrs confidence:

role

Explanation:
As in a role someone has in a company, could possibly be an alternative. "een post te mogen doen" being "being allowed to fulfill a role" or similar.
The wording strongly suggests a Flemish source text, too. You will likely find more "odd" wordings if you read it with a Dutch mindset.

Mark Straver
Sweden
Local time: 06:27
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Dutch,

English

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thank you for your input Mark, it was most helpful. The text was from NL but the respondent to this particular question could have been Belgian. Thanks for helping me to get my head around this tricky sentence - it's very much appreciated.

18 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

account

Explanation:
as in "client account", "account manager"

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Note added at 2 days22 hrs (2010-02-26 18:13:33 GMT) Post-grading
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You're welcome, Jo, and thanks for taking the extra effort of thanking all answerers in person :)

I didn't have the time to explain why I thought "account" was the best interpretation here, but since I'm stubborn enough to still think it's the best answer, I have added an explanatory comment in the discussion area above. Doesn't matter about points or anything, but perhaps it helps you in better deciding which answer fits best in your particular context.

Cheers,
Ron

Ron Willems
Netherlands
Local time: 06:27
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Dutch

Notes to answerer

Asker: Dear Ron, many thanks for your contribution. I never really got to the bottom of this query, as there was no background to help me, and I couldn't get 'account' to fit in the context but have noted it for future reference. Best wishes, Jo

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