heideven

14:53 Sep 6, 2013 

Summary about the Dutch 'vennen'

A fragment

Het zand werd nooit verder dan tot de zandondergrond weggestoven, zodat deze plassen ondiep bleven. Deze vennen kennen vaak een onafhankelijke “schijn-grondwaterspiegel”. Die kan veroorzaakt worden door “venlaagjes”, ontstaan uit afgestorven vegetatie, door een ondergrond met Brabantse leem of door podzol-achtige inspoelingslaagjes van humus of ijzer. Vaak is dit veelvoorkomende soort ven nogal vlak in doorsnede (schotelvormig) en soms vrij groot zodat er in de zomer brede droogvallende oevers ontstaan. Na een enkele regenbui kunnen ze plotseling aanzienlijk in oppervlakte toenemen. De meeste vennen bij Oisterwijk en op de Strabrechtse heide zijn van dit type.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ven_(water)

14:13 Sep 6, 2013 

And this is why?

And again, the real translation problem here, was that 'heidevenmilieu' implied a larger - moorland/heathland - area with a number of pools.

Which I solved.

14:09 Sep 6, 2013 

I’m not saying your answer is wrong (apart from the 'moorland' part). I think all three are correct.

However, 'in the environments of the moorland and moorland pool areas' just doesn't sound quite right in my ears. In terms of it being well-written English I mean, not in terms of its content.

13:58 Sep 6, 2013 

I doubt whether the term 'aquatic' is equivalent with 'here and there a pool'.

Please have a look at the pictures through the links in my answer.

And these guys are no experts? :

Environmental changes in the Oisterwijk moorland pool area

see this link and other links below.

And what is wrong with my suggestion', except perhaps 'moorland'? :

.. in the environments of the moorland and moorland pool areas

You can always rephrase things, but the question is, is this necessary and is it superior?

And, as I said:

The real translation problem here, was that 'heidevenmilieu' implied a larger - moorland/heathland - area with a number of pools.

That's why I translated it as

.. in the environments of the moorland and moorland pool areas

13:56 Sep 6, 2013 

Have you seen this:

1. 'The effect of airborne sulphur and nitrogen deposition on aquatic and terrestrial heathland vegetation. by J. G. M. Roelofs

Summary
As research on the effects of acidification on healthlands is scarce, the data discussed mainly concern western Europe and particularly the Netherlands. The change from heather into grass dominated healthlands appeared to be caused by the high atmospheric nitrogen enrichment. (...)' (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02118618 )

which seems to me to be a translation of:

2. 'Roelofs J.G.M., L.G.M. Clasquin, I.M.C. Driessen & A.J. Kempers 1984. De gevolgen van zwavel en stikstofhoudende neerslag op de vegetatie in heide- en heideven-milieus. In: E.H. Adema and J. van Ham, Editors, Proc. Symp. Zure Regen, 's-Hertogenbosch 17–18 November 1983, Zure Regen, oorzaken, effecten en beleid, Pudoc, Wageningen.' (http://goo.gl/7w4tqn )

It's the same author.

13:49 Sep 6, 2013 

I doubt whether the term 'aquatic' is equivalent with 'here and there a pool'.

And these guys are no experts? :

Environmental changes in the Oisterwijk moorland pool area

see this link and other links below.

And waht ius wrong with my suggestion', except perhaps 'moorland? :

.. in the environments of the moorland and moorland pool areas

Have a look at pictures through the links in my answer.

13:45 Sep 6, 2013 

Either:

1. 'heathland pools', in: 'The effects of sulphur and nitrogen deposition on vegetation present in heathland pools and heathland areas.'

or

2. the 'aquatic' part of 'aquatic (..) heathland vegetation', in: 'The effect of airborne sulphur and nitrogen deposition on aquatic and terrestrial heathland vegetation.'

Both are correct.

13:41 Sep 6, 2013 

I had initially translated it as:

De gevolgen van zwavel en stikstofhoudende neerslag op de vegetatie in heide- en heideven-milieus.
=
The effects of sulphur and nitrogen deposition on vegetation present in heathland pools and heathland areas.

However, then I found the author's own translation and thought that that might be better, seeing as how he is the expert.

You asked:

Where are the 'heidevennen/pools'?

– the 'heidevennen' are present in the 'aquatic' part of 'aquatic (..) heathland vegetation'

Where is the 'milieu/environment'?

– 'milieu' is implied in the sentence: 'The effect of airborne sulphur and nitrogen deposition on aquatic and terrestrial heathland vegetation.'

I think both my initial translation and the translation based on the author's own version mean the same thing:

mine: The effects of sulphur and nitrogen deposition on vegetation present in heathland pools and heathland areas.
author's: The effect of airborne sulphur and nitrogen deposition on aquatic and terrestrial heathland vegetation.

I.e., 'vegetation present in heathland pools and heathland areas' = 'aquatic and terrestrial heathland vegetation'

13:23 Sep 6, 2013 

Michael, you are just translating a different/sentence or text with similar elements.

13:15 Sep 6, 2013 

The real translation problem here, for that matter, was that 'heidevenmilieu' implied a larger - moorland/heathland - area with a number of pools.

That's why I translated it as

.. in the environments of the moorland and moorland pool areas

Since the source text says 'milieu' and since nothing is wrong with 'environment', I think it only obvious to use environment here.

12:34 Sep 6, 2013 

'de vegetatie in heide- en heideven-milieus' = 'aquatic and terrestrial heathland vegetation'

12:30 Sep 6, 2013 

'Roelofs J.G.M., L.G.M. Clasquin, I.M.C. Driessen & A.J. Kempers 1984. De gevolgen van zwavel en stikstofhoudende neerslag op de vegetatie in heide- en heideven-milieus. In: E.H. Adema and J. van Ham, Editors, Proc. Symp. Zure Regen, 's-Hertogenbosch 17–18 November 1983, Zure Regen, oorzaken, effecten en beleid, Pudoc, Wageningen.' (http://goo.gl/7w4tqn )

AND

'The effect of airborne sulphur and nitrogen deposition on aquatic and terrestrial heathland vegetation. by J. G. M. Roelofs

Summary
As research on the effects of acidification on healthlands is scarce, the data discussed mainly concern western Europe and particularly the Netherlands. The change from heather into grass dominated healthlands appeared to be caused by the high atmospheric nitrogen enrichment. (...)' (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02118618 )

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Before I found these two articles, I had actually come up with:

De gevolgen van zwavel en stikstofhoudende neerslag op de vegetatie in heide- en heideven-milieus.
=
The effects of sulphur and nitrogen deposition on vegetation present in heathland pools and heathland areas.

11:53 Sep 6, 2013 

I used 'moorland' since:

heide - heath(land)
voornamelijk Brits-Engels --> moor(land)

Also, this was used in my reference: 'Oisterwijk moorland pool area'.

Otherwise replace 'moorland' with 'heathland', that is:

.. in the environments of the moorland and moorland pool areas

-->

.. in the environments of the heathland and heathland pool areas

Changes in the moorland pools near Oisterwijk between 1840 and 1975
in: Aquatic ecology , ISSN 1573-5125, Vol. 12 (1. 1978), p. 54-55

http://finden.nationallizenzen.de/Record/ZDB-1-SOJ@19280121X

10:48 Sep 6, 2013 

ven, het

1. (meertje)

mere
pool (klein)
hollow (droog)

2. (door uitvening ontstane plas)

pool
pit (flooded)
broad (in Oost-Engeland)

10:45 Sep 6, 2013 

GWIT:
heideveld = calcareous heath
ven = pool; hollow

OGL:
heideveld = heath, heathland
ven = pool

=> 'calcareous pool' or 'calcareous hollow' / 'heathland pool' (if its wet) or "heathland hollow" (if its dry)

See:

✪ https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=off&rlz=1C1PRFB_enGB534... (Google search for "calcareous pool")

✪ https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=off&rlz=1C1PRFB_enGB534... (Google search for "calcareous hollow")