verdeeldheid

English translation: strife

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Dutch term or phrase:verdeeldheid
English translation:strife
Entered by: Barend van Zadelhoff

07:32 Jan 24, 2010
Dutch to English translations [PRO]
Esoteric practices
Dutch term or phrase: verdeeldheid
U hebt twee duidelijke voorbeelden genoemd van volkskarma waarin het, vanuit een verdeeldheid uitzwermen over de wereld herkenbaar is en waarbij het karma gediend is. (Dit in betrekking tot het volkskarma van zigeuners en joden)
wilhelmina
United States
Local time: 05:59
strife
Explanation:
strijd, geharrewar, twist, ruzie

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Note added at 8 hrs (2010-01-24 16:18:28 GMT)
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internal strife
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Barend van Zadelhoff
Netherlands
Local time: 10:59
Grading comment
There has been some misunderstanding about the meaning of the term "verdeeldheid" in the context of the sentence, it did not refer to some sort of conflict (this would have been easy) but to geographical "verdeeldheid". You (accidentially) came up with the right answer by quoting the bible, it is dispersion!
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Summary of answers provided
3 +3discord
Yasutomo Kanazawa
4 +2discord/dissension/division
Textpertise
3 +1strife
Barend van Zadelhoff
3dissension
Elsje Apostel


  

Answers


14 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
discord


Explanation:
I would call it discord among the people, or a difference in opinion between the gypsies and the Jews.

Yasutomo Kanazawa
Japan
Local time: 18:59
Native speaker of: Native in JapaneseJapanese
Notes to answerer
Asker: There has been some misunderstanding about the meaning of the term "verdeeldheid" in the context of the sentence, it did not refer to some sort of conflict (this would have been easy) but to geographical "verdeeldheid". Barend (accidentially) came up with the right answer by quoting the bible, it is dispersion! And so, even though you came up with better terms, I had to award the points to him. As to the comments about the collective karma of jew and gypsies, I want to clarify that the collective karma of these 2 people is quite positive: (ignoring the fact that the concept of karma does not encourage viewing it as either as positive or negative, this is an emotional perspective, karma is merely spiritual schooling) the karma of being dispersed of the jews and gypsies actually has to do with a connective task: part of their karma is to connect different cultures. I wanted to clarify this to not give the impression that esoterism promotes prejudice views as is sometimes thought. Finally, I want to thank you for your participation in this question.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Wouter van Kampen: However....resulting from a difference of ideas and convictions among(!)
1 hr
  -> Thank you titi-at-home, for your comment.

agree  Ron Willems: among, yes
2 hrs
  -> Thank you Ron

agree  Iris Shalev: I do hope that this is not really our karma... :)
5 hrs
  -> Thank you Iris, yes, I do hope so too. Enjoy your Sunday. :-)

neutral  Barend van Zadelhoff: It is not about division among jews and gypsies, but about division among themselves, internal division or strife (my choice). This is dealing with the Diaspora; "thou shalt be a dispersion in all kingdoms of the earth"
10 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
dissension


Explanation:
IMO

Elsje Apostel
Belgium
Local time: 10:59
Native speaker of: Dutch
Notes to answerer
Asker: There has been some misunderstanding about the meaning of the term "verdeeldheid" in the context of the sentence, it did not refer to some sort of conflict (this would have been easy) but to geographical "verdeeldheid". Barend (accidentially) came up with the right answer by quoting the bible, it is dispersion! And so, even though you came up with better terms, I had to award the points to him. As to the comments about the collective karma of jew and gypsies, I want to clarify that the collective karma of these 2 people is quite positive: (ignoring the fact that the concept of karma does not encourage viewing it as either as positive or negative, this is an emotional perspective, karma is merely spiritual schooling) the karma of being dispersed of the jews and gypsies actually has to do with a connective task: part of their karma is to connect different cultures. I wanted to clarify this to not give the impression that esoterism promotes prejudice views as is sometimes thought. Finally, I want to thank you for your participation in this question.

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
discord/dissension/division


Explanation:
All three are suggested by Van Dale and any will do in the context.

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Note added at 1 hr (2010-01-24 09:10:51 GMT)
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I make no comment as to any discord/dissension/division amongst Gypsies or Jews except to say that both groups have been subject to more hateful prejudice than any others - and that is fact, not opinion.

Textpertise
United Kingdom
Local time: 09:59
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8
Notes to answerer
Asker: There has been some misunderstanding about the meaning of the term "verdeeldheid" in the context of the sentence, it did not refer to some sort of conflict (this would have been easy) but to geographical "verdeeldheid". Barend (accidentially) came up with the right answer by quoting the bible, it is dispersion! And so, even though you came up with better terms, I had to award the points to him. As to your comment about the prejudice against jew and gypsies, I want to clarify that the collective karma of these 2 people is quite positive: (ignoring the fact that the concept of karma does not encourage viewing it as either as positive or negative, this is an emotional perspective, karma is merely spiritual schooling) the karma of being dispersed of the jews and gypsies actually has to do with a connective task: part of their karma is to connect different cultures. I wanted to clarify this to not give the impression that esoterism promotes prejudice views as is sometimes thought. Finally, I want to thank you for your participation in this question.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tina Vonhof (X)
6 hrs
  -> Thanks, Tina

agree  Verginia Ophof
8 hrs
  -> Thanks, Verginia

neutral  Barend van Zadelhoff: division best option, I think: United we stand, divided we fall. This is dealing with the Diaspora. Read the Hebrew Bible for the underlying "causes" of the Diaspora // All I try to say is that the translation needs to be made with the Diaspora in mind.
9 hrs
  -> Ref the Hebrew Bible, I invite you to read my profile at http://www.proz.com/profile/924884
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8 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
strife


Explanation:
strijd, geharrewar, twist, ruzie

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Note added at 8 hrs (2010-01-24 16:18:28 GMT)
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internal strife

Barend van Zadelhoff
Netherlands
Local time: 10:59
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in category: 3
Grading comment
There has been some misunderstanding about the meaning of the term "verdeeldheid" in the context of the sentence, it did not refer to some sort of conflict (this would have been easy) but to geographical "verdeeldheid". You (accidentially) came up with the right answer by quoting the bible, it is dispersion!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Iris Shalev: After Wilhelmina's explanation, I see that this makes much more sense... (and I was only joking with my previous comment! No offense meant)
16 hrs
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