stinsenplanten

English translation: exotics

17:59 May 26, 2008
Dutch to English translations [PRO]
Science - Botany / Soorten
Dutch term or phrase: stinsenplanten
Stins is Fries en betekent stenen huis. Stinsenplanten zijn exotische soorten die vanaf de middeleeuwen op landgoederen, bij adellijke huizen, op kerkhoven etc. zijn aangeplant en sindsdien zijn ingeburgerd.
Is er een goed Engels equivalent voor of dient deze term in het Engels omschreven te worden?
Lian Pelkmans (X)
Local time: 18:49
English translation:exotics
Explanation:
Normally such plants would be called exotics in England

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5066549/quot-Hothous...
Dixon's claims seem particularly applicable to a reading of the nineteenth-century garden, since the period contained such dramatic shifts in the social and cultural landscape, and since gardens demonstrated technological and industrial innovation at the same time as they evoked a nostalgic desire for an English past. Of the Victorian garden, Joan Morgan and Alison Richards have claimed that "environments were contrived which imitated as closely as possible those of the native homeland, and Nature was permitted to enhance the effect. Exotics such as rhododendrons could be allowed to self seed in the woodland glades and narcissi and snowdrops to multiply among the wild primroses. [...] The distinctive style of Victorian gardens was, therefore, both formal and eclectic. They were to borrow promiscuously from the English past and from an exotic present"
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Kate Hudson (X)
Netherlands
Local time: 18:49
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1exotics
Kate Hudson (X)
3 +1onvertaald / introduced (escaped) non-native plants
Kitty Brussaard
4heritage vegetation
Lianne van de Ven
3 -1naturalized cultivar
Max Nuijens


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exotics


Explanation:
Normally such plants would be called exotics in England

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5066549/quot-Hothous...
Dixon's claims seem particularly applicable to a reading of the nineteenth-century garden, since the period contained such dramatic shifts in the social and cultural landscape, and since gardens demonstrated technological and industrial innovation at the same time as they evoked a nostalgic desire for an English past. Of the Victorian garden, Joan Morgan and Alison Richards have claimed that "environments were contrived which imitated as closely as possible those of the native homeland, and Nature was permitted to enhance the effect. Exotics such as rhododendrons could be allowed to self seed in the woodland glades and narcissi and snowdrops to multiply among the wild primroses. [...] The distinctive style of Victorian gardens was, therefore, both formal and eclectic. They were to borrow promiscuously from the English past and from an exotic present"

Kate Hudson (X)
Netherlands
Local time: 18:49
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 11

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Saskia Steur (X)
40 mins
  -> Thanks

neutral  Kitty Brussaard: I would prefer 'naturalised exotics' in this specific context.
15 hrs
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35 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
onvertaald / introduced (escaped) non-native plants


Explanation:
Volgens mij is er geen directe vertaling mogelijk van de specifiek Nederlandse term 'stinsenplanten' als zodanig.
Wel kan het meer algemene verschijnsel waarnaar deze term verwijst vertaald worden. Bijv. met 'introduced non-native plants' of 'introduced and escaped non-native plants'. Evt. ook 'invasive non-native plants' maar dit heeft wel een negatievere bijklank (i.v.m. bedreiging van het oorspronkelijke ecosysteem).
Ik zou de term 'stinsenplanten' onvertaald laten met deze (of een nog betere!) Engelse vertaling tussen haakjes toegevoegd.

Introduced plants include those which were planted originally and now have spread (e.g., ... Table 3. Summary of non-native taxa* by status in Wisconsin. ...
www.botany.wisc.edu/wisflora/Composition.asp

Non-native species (aliens) are not native to an area, but rather were introduced by humans, either intentionally or accidentally. These introductions can be very dangerous to natural occurring plant communities because the non-native plants can negatively modify the habitat and thus decrease the survival of native species. In many ways they out-compete the native species because they lack natural inhibitors (such as disease or predators). While many alien species of plants do not make changes to the natural environment or are not able to survive outside of cultivation, many non-native plant species are problematic because they can become invasive.

Escaped species are those that were purposely introduced to an area for agriculture, ornamental gardening, or for land stabilization (i.e. along steep slopes, riverbanks, or floodplains), but spread beyond cultivation by reproducing on their own. Many times these plants are only localized to disturbed areas and cannot penetrate native habitats. However, many aggressive alien plants that are now invasive were first introduced and later escaped.
www.vplants.org/topics/origin2.html

Kitty Brussaard
Netherlands
Local time: 18:49
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Alice Saunders (X): you an't translate this because it is a typically Dutch (Friesian) thing, although similar things happened elsewhere
10 hrs
  -> Thanks Alice!
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40 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
naturalized cultivar


Explanation:
komt het dichtste in de buurt


WIKIPEDIA:
A cultivar is a cultivated plant that has been selected and given a unique name because it has desirable characteristics (decorative or useful) that distinguish it from otherwise similar plants of the same species. When propagated it retains those characteristics.

A cultivar is a particular variety of a plant species or hybrid that is being cultivated and/or is recognised as a cultivar under the ICNCP. The concept of cultivar is driven by pragmatism, and serves the practical needs of horticulture, agriculture, forestry, etc.

The word cultivar, coined by Liberty Hyde Bailey, is generally regarded as a portmanteau of "cultivated" and "variety", but could also be derived from "cultigen" "variety".


Naturalized cultivar
Some cultivars are "naturalized" in gardening, in other words they are planted out and largely left to their own devices.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultivar



Definition: Cultivars are propagated not from seed, but rather vegetatively (e.g., via stem cuttings). When the full scientific name for a particular plant cultivar is given, the part of the name that indicates the cultivar itself follows the genus name and the species name and is set off by single quotation marks. By referring to cultivars in this way, we're able to be more specific about a plant than if we restricted ourselves to noting its genus and species.
http://landscaping.about.com/od/helpforbeginners/g/cultivar....


Max Nuijens
Netherlands
Local time: 18:49
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Kitty Brussaard: Stinsen zijn oorspronkelijk van buitenaf ingevoerde (niet-inheemse) planten die geleidelijk aan verwilderd zijn. Je zou evt. wel kunnen spreken van 'naturalised introduced (non-native) plants/varieties'. // IMO is 'niet-inheems' een wezenlijk aspect :-)
1 hr
  -> Ik heb de definities gelezen, maar cultivar is ook van toepassing op tuinplanten die niet-inheems zijn.

neutral  Kate Hudson (X): these are often wild plants in their native surroundings brought to a country because they have a particular appeal e.g rhododendrons http://www.countrysideinfo.co.uk/rhododen.htm
1 hr
  -> ok, sounds convincing

neutral  Lianne van de Ven: dit is een "genaturaliseerd gecultiveerd ras"
2 hrs
  -> dus niet hetzelfde als stinse, die niet gecultiveerd is?
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heritage vegetation


Explanation:
The overall design intent for the Government Gardens project was to reflect a mature appearance in terms of planting, with the re-establishment of the mid to late 19th century aesthetic setting created by the heritage vegetation.
http://www.portarthur.org.au/pashow.php?ACTION=Public&menu_c...
2. Native and Heritage Vegetation. The city shall require protection, preservation and maintenance of native species of trees and vegetation listed in the general plan, as well as trees and vegetation associated with an historic event or place, associated with historic figures, or that are so large, unusual or rare as to be eligible for designation as landmarks by the city council.
http://qcode.us/codes/laverne/view.php?topic=18-18_76-18_76_...

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Note added at 8 hrs (2008-05-27 02:05:25 GMT)
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Een meer gebruikte spelling is "stinzenplanten" - zie lijst van stinzenplanten, waaronder het bekende sneeuwklokje:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinzenplant
Bij navraag met een Fries-sprekende bioloog: het is een specifieke
verzameling planten die in de kruisvaarderstijd uit Azie werden meegebracht, en die je dus nog steeds ziet bij oude Friese stinzen (landgoederen).
Op verschillende sites is het onvertaald gebleven: the habitat of 'stinzenplanten'
http://pomology.org/research/003/524/index.php
"They differ from the woodlands in Flevoland because of the contribution of stinzenplanten such as Corydalis cava and C. solida; naturalised plant species introduced centuries ago that have been able to recruit and spread in woodlands (Bakker & Boeve 1985)."
http://library.wur.nl/wda/dissertations/dis4342.pdf

Voor een beste vertaling zou je al met al "Frisian heritage vegetation (stinzenplanten)" kunnen zeggen.

Lianne van de Ven
United States
Local time: 13:49
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Kitty Brussaard: Wat mij betreft toch liever onvertaald met bijv. aanvulling zoals "naturalised plant species introduced centuries ago" in jouw link :-)
13 hrs
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