makelaarr

English translation: king post

10:16 Aug 31, 2015
Dutch to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Architecture / in a lease agreement
Dutch term or phrase: makelaarr
De linker opengaande vleugel is voorzien van een makelaar uit grijs melamine hout; de rechter opengaande vleugel is voorzien van een slot.
Cillie Swart
South Africa
Local time: 12:43
English translation:king post
Explanation:
According to my Groot Polytechnisch Woordenboek this would be a king post in a building construction context.

A king post (or king-post or kingpost) is a central vertical post used in architectural or bridge designs, working in tension to support a beam below from a truss apex above (whereas a crown post visually similar, supports items above from the beam below).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_post

And see also the following description: http://www.aalten.nl/document.php?m=1&fileid=80198&f=9e29afc...

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PS. Have a look at the picture in the last link as well :-)
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Kitty Brussaard
Netherlands
Local time: 12:43
Grading comment
Thanks this makes sens given the context.
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Summary of answers provided
3 +4astragal
freekfluweel
3 +1king post
Kitty Brussaard
3Onderdeel van een Uilebord.
jan en sas
Summary of reference entries provided
refs
Michael Beijer

Discussion entries: 7





  

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28 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Onderdeel van een Uilebord.


Explanation:
Makelaar word geschreven met maar een r op het eind. Ik vermoed dat het hier gaat om een driekant bord aan het uiteinde van de nok van een boerderij. De uileborden waren oorspronkelijk het driekanten houten bord waarop een" makelaar" en twee zwanen geplaatst zijn. Tegenwoordig voornamelijk een decoratieve functie maar vroeger beschermden uileborden de kwetsbare uiteinden van de rietgedekte daken. Zeer interessant, zitten namelijk vol symboliek.

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Deze komen alleen in Nederland voor, dus zal er geen Engelse benaming voor te vinden zijn.

Example sentence(s):
  • de boer die dit teken in zijn makelaar voerde, wilde daarmee te kennen geven dat hij had afgerekend.Dus vrij van hypotheek.

    Reference: http://www.uileborden.net
jan en sas
Netherlands
Local time: 12:43
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch, Native in EnglishEnglish
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34 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
makelaar
king post


Explanation:
According to my Groot Polytechnisch Woordenboek this would be a king post in a building construction context.

A king post (or king-post or kingpost) is a central vertical post used in architectural or bridge designs, working in tension to support a beam below from a truss apex above (whereas a crown post visually similar, supports items above from the beam below).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_post

And see also the following description: http://www.aalten.nl/document.php?m=1&fileid=80198&f=9e29afc...

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PS. Have a look at the picture in the last link as well :-)

Kitty Brussaard
Netherlands
Local time: 12:43
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thanks this makes sens given the context.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  writeaway: My Nl-En Van Dale gives the same translation (see Dbox)/wow- the Dbox is the main attraction in this pair, I thought.
1 hr
  -> Thanks. I hadn't even thought of looking there :-) / It is. I meant in the Van Dale :-)

neutral  freekfluweel: Lijkt me sterk dat een spantdeel van spaanplaat is gemaakt...
4 hrs
  -> Good point! Hopefully Petrus will provide us with some more context.

neutral  Barend van Zadelhoff: I even once painted such a 'makelaar' as the one shown in your reference, also at this height. :-) The object indicated in the asker's question definitely does not meet the characteristics of such a 'makelaar'. Freek's answer is much more probable.
5 days
  -> Helemaal mee eens, zoals ook elders door mij aangegeven. Ik kan mijn antwoord helaas niet meer verwijderen :-).
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +4
makelaar
astragal


Explanation:
http://www.joostdevree.nl/shtmls/aanslaglijst.shtml

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zie ook d-box

Ook wel logisch bij dubbele deuren, aan de ene kant een slot en aan de andere kant een aanslaglijst.

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http://www.skantrae.com/producten/binnendeuren/houten_deuren...

freekfluweel
Netherlands
Local time: 12:43
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Michael Beijer: gelukkig had je joostdevree.nl + Van Dale. blijken woordenboeken misschien toch handig (niemand kent alle vaktermen, no matter how much of a so-called specialist) / knowledge/experience is only one part of the picture. that's my point.
20 mins
  -> Klaar als een klontje! / jij had het antwoord ook kunnen geven, staat n.b. in je refs,... zou kennis van zaken dan toch ook niet handig zijn...?

agree  Barend van Zadelhoff: http://tinyurl.com/p3v6f5s Lijkt juist. Ik wist niet dat ze dat (ook) een 'makelaar' noemen. Ik ken wel Michael nummer 5 (see below)
4 hrs
  -> Als ik zelf 20% van ALLE bouwkundige vaktermen weet is het veel...

agree  Kitty Brussaard: In the absence of further context, your answer definitely seems to be the most logical one. / Dan bevind je je in ieder geval in goed gezelschap!
9 hrs
  -> Slogies, zeide ook JC.

agree  writeaway: This is your specialist field. Shows why knowledge trumps dictionaries.
4 days
  -> Right! Thanks!
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Reference comments


34 mins peer agreement (net): +2
Reference: refs

Reference information:
Van Dale Groot woordenboek van de Nederlandse taal (14e editie, 2005):

"makelaar":

4 (bouwkunde) stuk hout, in de top van een kap aangebracht, dat dient tot verenigingspunt van nok, spruiten en hoekkepers
4a (bij molenaars) rond boveneinde van de grote spil
5 (gewestelijk) houten spits boven aan de top van puntgevels (bv. bij schuren)
6 (bij molenaars) (bij paltrokken) versiering op de achterzijde van de molenkap
7 (gewestelijk) lat op de aanslag van dubbele deuren of vensters
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Onroerend Goed Lexicon :

makelaar (middenstijl dakspant) =
king post, joggle post, joggle piece

makelaar (nokbeëindiging) =
gable post
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Van Dale nl-en:

3 (bouwkunst)
king / crown post

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Oxforddictionaries.com:

"king post":

def.: An upright post in the centre of a roof truss, extending from the tie beam to the apex of the truss.

EXAMPLE SENTENCES:
– Bracket sets with two arms support the four-rafter beams; there are straight braces known as timu; and a king post is present in the roof truss.
– In the process, the various components acquired names according to their place in this system - king post, hammer beam, purlin, sill, and so forth - names that are still used today.
– First, as Su notes, a king post is used in the shrine's roof truss.
– Again, two crossbeams with camel's hump-shaped braces support the roof truss, and there is no king post.
– A single king post or several queen posts may be used according to the length of span and the support required.


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Nieuw Groot Woordenboek Industrie & Techniek NE-EN/EN-NE (GWIT):

makelaar [3][BUILD.] (m.b.t. dakconstructie) = crown post; wind brace

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OED:

king-post

1.1 Carpentry. a.1.a An upright post in the centre of a roof-truss, extending from the ridge to the tie-beam.

1776 G. Semple Building in Water 115 The King-post, h. may be the same.
1817 B. Hall Voy. Loo Choo (1820) 54 The roof was well constructed, the rafters being mortised into the ends of the horizontal beams, and braced to the middle by a perpendicular beam or king-post.
1891 A. White Tries at Truth iii. 15 In building a porch, the king-post is the beam on which the whole structure rests.

b.1.b attrib., as king-post roof, king-post truss.

1845 Ecclesiologist I. 149 Tie-beams, which sustain a low king-post roof.
1886 E. S. Morse Japanese Homes i. 10 [He] fairly loathes a structure that has no king-post‥truss.

2.2 On a ship (see quots.).

1927 G. Bradford Gloss. Sea Terms 95/2 King post, a short derrick mast to support the smaller cargo booms.
1948 R. de Kerchove Internat. Maritime Dict. 385/1 King post. (1.) A short heavy mast which serves to support a boom. (2.) The centerline pillars in a ship's hold. 1961 F. H. Burgess Dict. Sailing 127 Kingpost, a vertical post, sometimes resembling a mast, erected near the hatches, to support and top a derrick boom.

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crown-post

The middle post of a trussed roof, which supports the crown of the roof; the king-post.

1703 T. N. City & C. Purchaser 122 Crown-post, is that Post, which (in some Buildings) stands upright in the middle‥It is also call'd a King-piece.    
1703 Moxon Mech. Exerc. 159 Crown Post‥Also the King-Piece, or Joggle-Piece.
1806 Gregory Dict. Arts & Sc. I. 460.
1823 P. Nicholson Pract. Build. 221.

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Oxforddictionaries.com:

"astragal":

(1A) moulding or wooden strip of semicircular cross section.

EXAMPLE SENTENCES:
"Of the 286 planes, the majority, were simple moldings like common ogees, astragals, beads, hollows and rounds."
"Each panel has attached astragal beading with curved comers topped by a beaded and fluted moulded cornice."

(1.1) Architecture A narrow semicircular moulding round the top or bottom of a column.
EXAMPLE SENTENCES:
"A plain astragal ringed the column beneath its plain cap."
"There is a thick overlapping astragal running round the columns carrying the vaults and arches."

(2A) bar separating panes of glass in cabinetmaking.

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OED:

"astragal"

[(? a. F. astragale), ad. L. astragalus, a. Gr. ἀστράγαλος a huckle-bone (in pl. dice), a moulding in the capital of a column, a leguminous plant. See also astragalus.]

(1.1) Phys. The ball of the ankle-joint; the huckle-bone; = astragalus 1. Hence in pl. (as in Gr.): Dice, which were orig. huckle-bones.

1727–51 Chambers Cycl., Astragal‥a bone of the heel.    
1850 J. Leitch Müller's Anc. Art §391 Eros as Ganymedes' conqueror at the game of astragals.

(2.)
(a.2.a) Arch. A small moulding, of semicircular section, sometimes plain, sometimes carved with leaves or cut into beads, placed round the top or bottom of columns, and used to separate the different parts of the architrave in ornamental entablatures. Also attrib.

1563 Shute Archit. C j a, Nowe at the toppe of Scapus, you shall make Astragalus.
1651 Davenant Gondibert ii. vi. xlvi, From the astrigal To the flat frieze.
1789 Smyth tr. Aldrich's Archit. (1818) 89 An astragal‥has berries often cut on it.
1862 Rickman Goth. Archit. 14 The torus when very small becomes an astragal.
1872 Shipley Gloss. Eccl. Terms 402 Roundel, a bead or astragal moulding.

(b.2.b) (See quot. 1940.)

1858 Skyring's Builders' Prices 33 Astragal sashes.
1940 Chambers's Techn. Dict. 56/2 Astragal, a specially shaped bar used for connecting together glazing bars or sheets of glass in a window. Ibid., Astragal tool, a special tool‥used in wood-turning for turning beads and astragals.

(3.3) Gunnery. A ring or moulding encircling a cannon about six inches from the mouth.

1656 Blount Glossogr., Astragal‥is therefore transferred to the canon.
1692 in Smith Seaman's Gram. ii. vi. 94 The Astragal, or Cornice Ring.
1862 Griffiths Artill. Man., Muzzle Astragal and Fillets.

(4.4) (See quot.) ? Obs.

1725 Bradley Fam. Dict. s.v. Tyles, Scallop or Astragal are used in some places for weather Tyling.
1751 Chambers Cycl. s.v. Tyle, Scallop or astragal Tyles are‥like plain tiles, only their lower ends are in form of an astragal.

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OGL:
aanslaglijst (m.b.t. deur) = astragal

GWIT:
aanslaglijst [BUILD.] = supporting frame

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Van Dale Groot woordenboek van de Nederlandse taal (14e editie, 2005):

aanslaglijst

1· zinken lijst aan de boven- en voorzijde van een behangen kastdeur voor een betere sluiting
1a. lijst die bij dubbele deuren de tussennaad bedekt

Michael Beijer
United Kingdom
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Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Kitty Brussaard: / In your case probably not een paar but a whole lot :-)
1 min
  -> met een paar woordenboeken kom je al een heel eind! ;)
agree  Barend van Zadelhoff: Bij mij is bij dit soort begrippen "Van Dale Groot woordenboek van de Nederlandse taal" de eerste keus, en zeer waarschijnlijk ook de laatste. De rest via context/real world.
8 hrs
neutral  freekfluweel: Zo gaat het altijd, jij levert de refs maar anderen moeten het juiste antwoord kiezen
5 days
  -> That's my job. I'm the terminologist, you're the highly trained architect and construction engineer. We each have our strengths.
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