minnelijke expertise

English translation: out-of-court expert or amicable expert

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Dutch term or phrase:minnelijke expertise
English translation:out-of-court expert or amicable expert
Entered by: DebbieKleynhans

10:26 Nov 8, 2011
Dutch to English translations [PRO]
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Dutch term or phrase: minnelijke expertise
Hi all

I am translating a CV and one sentence is as follows: 'Technisch raadgever bij diverse gerechtelijke, minnelijke en andere expertises'. I found another thread on 'medische expertises' and assume that 'gerechtelijke expertise' would be 'legal expert opinion' or 'legal assessment' but I am struggling with 'minnelijke expertise' - I found this useful website explaining it (http://www.bouwexperten.be/exp_minnelijk.html) but am not sure how that would be translated.

Thanks in advance!
helenindelft
United Kingdom
Local time: 09:17
out-of-court expert or amicable expert
Explanation:
Out-of-court experts are often used in out-of-court alternative dispute resolutions (ADR), as well.

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With this said, I would use out-of-court or amicable expertise
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DebbieKleynhans
Local time: 10:17
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1out-of-court expert or amicable expert
DebbieKleynhans
4 -1arbitration case
philgoddard
4 -1mediation expertise
Tina Vonhof (X)
3assessment out of court
Kirsten Bodart
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The internet...
sindy cremer

Discussion entries: 8





  

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15 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
out-of-court expert or amicable expert


Explanation:
Out-of-court experts are often used in out-of-court alternative dispute resolutions (ADR), as well.

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Note added at 21 mins (2011-11-08 10:48:00 GMT)
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With this said, I would use out-of-court or amicable expertise

DebbieKleynhans
Local time: 10:17
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in AfrikaansAfrikaans, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
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Thank you very much for your help!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  F Scott Ophof (X): From GWIT: A 'minnelijke schikking' is an 'amicable/out-of-court settlement', so this person seems to be an expert in such. I would make it 'expertise', not just 'expert'.
5 hrs

neutral  philgoddard: You can't use "expertise" like this in English.
6 hrs
  -> I think what F Schott Ophoff referred to is that his area of expertise is amicable / out-of-court settlements see: "http://books.google.com/books?id=6eoBTqHI_TUC&q=out-of-court...
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arbitration case


Explanation:
It's explained in Helen's very helpful reference - the two sides don't want to go to court, so they appoint an independent arbitrator.

An "expertise" is an assessment or valuation by an independent expert, but "expert" is not used nearly as often in English as it is in other languages.

philgoddard
United States
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
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disagree  sindy cremer: Arbitration is not the same as 'minnelijke expertise'. Pls see my refs.
4 hrs
  -> A "minnelijke expertise" is a report produced for an arbitration case.
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
mediation expertise


Explanation:
Arbitration is a formal process, often in lieu of a court case, for more serious disputes, usually involving groups of people. The arbitrator is usually appointed from higher up and has considerable power to force an agreement if necessary.

In companies, as would be the case here, there is a more informal way of resolving disputes, called mediation. This can be as simple as two people sitting down with an impartial third party to help them sort out their differences. The mediator can be assigned or can be chosen by the two parties.



    Reference: http://www.ag.gov.bc.ca/dro/publications/bulletins/process.h...
Tina Vonhof (X)
Canada
Local time: 02:17
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  philgoddard: Mediation, yes; expertise, no. Expertise means skill in English. Here we're talking about a report provided as part of an arbitration or mediation case.
1 hr
  -> Phil, can you explain why not? So 'an expertise' means 'a report'? One learns something new every day - thanks.
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assessment out of court


Explanation:
Not really sure, but a 'minnelijke schikking' is a settlement out of court. So he does assessments for the court, when such an argument has reached the stage of a court case, and then he does them out of court if a party has a problem with his/her contractor, but still wants to settle the matter out of court. Or that is how I understand it.

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I think there is a little confusion about what this person means. An 'expertise' is an assessment that carreis legal truth, which is the basis for any rulings made about the matter. Such experts are employed by the courts, but also in private matters. A settlement out of court, therefore, can also involve such an expert whose conclusions from such an assessment will be the basis for any money paid from the one party to the other. So expertise has nothing to do with skills and one cannot be an expert at out of court settlements. That's why it says 'technisch raadgever' 'technical advisor' or something along those lines in such events.

Kirsten Bodart
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:17
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Alexander Schleber (X): my take too.
11 mins
  -> Thanks!

disagree  F Scott Ophof (X): The answer does not take 'expertise' into account.
5 hrs

neutral  philgoddard: I agree totally with your explanation, and F Scott Ophoff is wrong.
8 hrs
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Reference comments


8 hrs
Reference: The internet...

Reference information:
offers extensive information on 'minnelijke expertise'. A few examples:

http://books.google.be/books?id=gHO65opLD-UC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&...

"Het minnelijk deskundigenonderzoek is dit waartoe één of meerdere belanghebbenden vrijwillig overgaan zonder de officiële tussenkomst van de rechter in de aanstelling van de deskundige. Het wordt soms genoemd een 'vrijwillig' of 'buitengerechtelijk' deskundigenonderzoek."

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http://www.expertisen.be/home.htm

"... kan een geneesheer eenzijdig door de schadelijdende partij aangesproken worden. Deze minnelijke expertise strekt louter tot informatie en advies van wie erom vraagt. De bevindingen van de expert kunnen derhalve niet aan derden tegengeworpen worden.
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Wordt de geneesheer daarentegen door alle betrokken partijen in der minne aangezocht, worden de vaststellingen contradictoir. De bewijskracht van het expertiseverslag is in beginsel deze van een gerechtelijke expertise. De bewoordingen ervan mogen derhalve niet geschonden worden. Het advies van de expert is echter ten aanzien van de betrokken partijen enkel bindend, wanneer dezen vooraf overeenkwamen zich hierdoor gebonden te verklaren. Dit bindend advies is echter nog geen arbitrage, vermits de expert het geschil als zodanig niet beslecht."

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See also: http://www.elfri.be/minnelijke-expertise
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For'eenvoudige minnelijke expertise' and 'beslissende of onherroepelijke expertise' see: http://www.ordomedic.be/nl/adviezen/advies/onafhankelijkheid...

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http://books.google.nl/books?id=GpfWcF7EdAcC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA2...
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Expertise = deskundigenonderzoek and is not the equivalent of "arbitrage" see the above references and, e.g.:

http://books.google.nl/books?id=GpfWcF7EdAcC&pg=PA10&lpg=PA1...

"Hierin verschilt de arbitrage wezenlijk van de minnelijke expertise die zich dikwijls beperkt tot vaststellingen, en van de bindende derdenbeslissing."

http://books.google.nl/books?id=MlRPepJOJosC&pg=PA176&lpg=PA...

"Arbitrage is ongetwijfeld de meest bekende vorm van geschillenbeslechting, die soms wordt verward met andere rechtsfiguren zoals de expertise, ..."

sindy cremer
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in category: 7
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