odnáboženštění

English translation: dereligionisation

09:44 Dec 17, 2009

Czech to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Religion / sociology of religion in Czechoslovakia

Czech term or phrase: odnáboženštění

Dear colleagues,

I have once again encountered a term during my translation about which I would like to know your opinion. The term is "odnáboženštění" (as opposed to "odcírkevnění" which translates as "secularization).
My dictionary unfortunately does not give any suggestions on how this should be translated and the internet has proved equally unhelpful. Therefore I have decided to seek help of those of you that are, for example, acquianted with the field of sociology of religion much more than I am.
The term is taken from the following sentence:

"Proti jeho interpretaci, která zdůrazňuje rychlou sekularizaci české společnosti, lze ovšem namítnout jednak to, že výzkumy tohoto typu nebyly metodicky zcela korektní, a zadruhé že pokračující odcírkevnění, ke kterému nepochybně docházelo, ještě nutně neznamená odnáboženštění".

("Proti jeho interpretaci" refers to another author's interpretation of data collected during secret monitoring of activities of the church and its believers - e.g. how many people attended Sunday service, how many christenings there were, how many church weddings etc.).

Thank you very much for your suggestions,

Myska

myska KudoZ activity Questions: 42 (5 open) Answers: 0
Local time: 06:20

English translation:dereligionisation

Explanation:
dereligionizace

despiritualisation is also good, but it is not exactly the same... I would say you can be fanatically religious without being very spiritual (the way I understand it) (but that's my personal opinion)

Selected response from:

Jana Bedanova
Czech Republic
Local time: 07:20

Grading comment

Thank you, Jana,
I am not an expert on religion but within the context of the original article, your translation seems the most appropriate option.
Thank you
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +1

dereligionisation

Jana Bedanova

de-religionation

Lenka Mandryszová

despiritualisation/dereligification

Charles Stanford

suppression of religion and disestablishment

Maria Chmelarova

Discussion entries: 9

Hannah Geiger (X)

United States

00:13 Dec 19, 2009

Since there was some interesting discussion here, may I say that I am quite bewildered at the author's use of language. I have never heard those harsh cold terms - odcirkevneni, odnabozensteni, and further, I actually think they are not correctly used. So my sympathies, myska, really.....

Charles Stanford

Czech Republic

18:05 Dec 17, 2009

I agree that it is complicated Maria

Maria Chmelarova

Charesel

18:00 Dec 17, 2009

yes, I do distinguish both words and meaning of them too. What I want to say is: 1 both are extra work and comlicated
2. yes, I foused only on one, which does not mean there is no difference between them. Thanks.
Secularisation and ....

Charles Stanford

Czech Republic

17:40 Dec 17, 2009

I'm not sure Maria... a distinction is clearly being made between the 2: "odcírkevnění, ke kterému nepochybně docházelo, ještě nutně neznamená odnáboženštění" - basically meaning you can secularise as much as you want but it won't get people to turn their backs on religion... that is how I understand it. Faith in Dylan's answer just refers to (religious) faith in general.

Maria Chmelarova

odnáboženštění a odcírkevnění

15:26 Dec 17, 2009

oba vyrazy su zbytocne zlozite a bez podkladu v slovnikoch. Co to presne znamena? Decline in faith-osud, belief-viera, dovera ale aj nabozenstvo. Viem ze je viacero vyrazov (faith), zostanme pri beznom.
Odnabozensteni-obecne potlaceni vlivu nabozenstvi- sekularizace. Naco si komplikovat zivot.
Do vasej pozornosti: http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sekularizace, moznost aj v angl. - klik English text vam pomoze prisposobit myslienku a preklad.

Jana Bedanova

Czech Republic

decline in faith/religious belief

14:23 Dec 17, 2009

that's excellent! Totally agree.

Hannah Geiger (X)

United States

14:10 Dec 17, 2009

I agree with all three from Dylan, especially the "decline in religious belief", and I also think he should have posted it.

Charles Stanford

Czech Republic

11:51 Dec 17, 2009

I think that is probably a very good idea Dylan - despiritualisation makes it sound like a govt policy, but what is at issue here is effect of secularisation and I think "decline in faith" or something like that would fit better. You should post it!!

Dylan Edwards

United Kingdom

11:45 Dec 17, 2009

Perhaps this could be called "decline in faith" (as opposed to decline of the church), "decline in religious belief", or just "loss of religion".

Answers

8 mins confidence:

de-religionation

Explanation:
Citace: The Rabbi spoke from his history, but the speaking took place in a kind of de-religionated zone.

Example sentence(s):

Citace: The Rabbi spoke from his history, but the speaking took place in a kind of de-religionated zone.

Reference: http://interimtom.blogspot.com/2007_04_01_archive.html

Lenka Mandryszová
Czech Republic
Native speaker of:

Czech
PRO pts in category: 4

15 mins confidence:

despiritualisation/dereligification

Explanation:
I suppose that by odcírkevnění they mean getting the church out of society and the odnáboženštění means despiritualising or dereligifying the people - i.e. gettting them to turn their backs on all things religious. I would say that despiritualisation would be a better bet than dereligification - googles better as well

Charles Stanford
Czech Republic
Local time: 07:20
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

dereligionisation

Jana Bedanova
Czech Republic
Local time: 07:20
Works in field
Native speaker of: Czech
PRO pts in category: 16

Grading comment

Thank you, Jana,
I am not an expert on religion but within the context of the original article, your translation seems the most appropriate option.
Thank you

Notes to answerer

Asker: This is a very good suggestion, thank you!!! I agree on that despiritualization has a much wider meaning surpassing religion as such. Thank you

1 day 16 hrs confidence:

suppression of religion and disestablishment

Explanation:
ak odnábeboženštění - je potlačení vlivu náboženství - potom možno použiť hore uvedený výraz
dalej odcírkevnění - disestablishment tak ako je to v článku http://is.muni.cz/predmety
bod 14. Problemova pole: nabozenske hodnoty-sekularizace, odkouzleni, odcirkevneni, odcizeni; sociologie emoci a mentality
v angl. bod 13. Problem fields: religion and values-sucularization, disenchantment, disestablishment, alienation; sociollogy of emotions and mentality
disestablishment - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/disestablishment

Maria Chmelarova
Local time: 01:20
Native speaker of: Slovak
PRO pts in category: 7

Notes to answerer

Asker: Dear Maria, thank you for your opinion. However, I believe that "desestablishment" has a different meaning (see e.g. dictionary definition) than the original expression. Nevertheless, thank you very much for your point of view.

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