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ce4 zi

English translation: Glyphomancy

18:58 Apr 4, 2004
Chinese to English translations [Non-PRO]
Psychology
Chinese term or phrase: ce4 zi
a fortune telling method or game
aiyoyo
English translation:Glyphomancy
Explanation:
测字
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Ray Luo
United Kingdom
Local time: 21:19
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4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +6测字
Chinoise
4 +5测字 - fortune telling method based on characters choosed by the requesting party
Xiaoping Fu
4fortune telling base on one's time of birth
isahuang
4Glyphomancy
Ray Luo


  

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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +6
测字


Explanation:
测字

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Note added at 2004-04-04 19:04:15 (GMT)
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Should be Ce4zi4.

Chinoise
Local time: 17:19
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in ChineseChinese

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agree  Jade Lai
12 mins
  ->  谢谢 ！
agree  Lu Zou: 测生辰八字？
2 hrs
  ->  Yes. 谢谢 ！
agree  Xiaoping Fu: 不一定是生辰八字。任何字都可以测，有点象精神分析。:))
3 hrs
  ->  谢谢 ！
agree  Donglai Lou (X)
4 hrs
  ->  谢谢 ！
agree  Edward LIU
8 hrs
agree  Denyce Seow
10 hrs
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
fortune telling base on one's time of birth


Explanation:
If it talks about fortune telling, the zi here refers to ba1 zi. Ba1 zi is widely used in Chinese fortune telling. Basically, it refers to the exact time when a person is born.

isahuang
Local time: 16:19
Native speaker of: Chinese
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
测字 - fortune telling method based on characters choosed by the requesting party


Explanation:
测字和算命不同。算命要依据生辰八字。测字则不一定依据生辰八字。求问者遂心选取的任何字，都可以用来测前程、问凶吉。例如，前些日子报纸上披露贪官李真在狱中求人测字，选了一个“外”字。测字者做了如下分说：“外”字由“夕”和“卜”组成。“夕”者，夕阳西下也；“卜”者，前途未卜也。“外”字若下加一“口”，则为“咎”，乃咎由自取也。“外”字上加一横，则为“死”，乃死罪难逃也！

下面我贴了昆曲名剧《十五贯》中“访鼠”一段对白。其中测字的过程和运用表现得十分真实有趣。

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（娄白）唉！请坐，坐呀！（况白）老兄，你问这个字？（娄白）对，我问这个字，（况白）是作什么用的？（娄白）啥介用场？官司！（况白）噢！官司？（娄白）轻点啊！轻点啊！（况白）你听好！鼠乃一十四划。（娄白）阿，十四划。（况白）数目成双。（娄白）数目成双。（况白）乃属阴爻；鼠，又属阴类。阴中之阴，乃幽晦之象。（娄白）吓，幽晦呀？（况白）若占官司，急切不能明白。（娄白）明白是听说还勿曾明白得来。（况白）请问你，这字是你自己测的，还是代人家测的？（娄白）啊，啊，我代别人测介，哼哼，代测！（况白）代测？依数看来，只怕不是代测！（娄白）那哼讲？（况白）鼠是为祸之首。（娄白）啥介淮河之水？（况白）唉！不是淮河之水，乃是罪魁祸首！（娄白）啥介解释？（况白）鼠乃十二生肖之首。（娄白）十二生肖之一。（况自）岂不是个造祸之端么？（娄白）造祸端介？（况白）依字而论，一定偷了人家的东西，造成这桩事来的，老兄，可是么？（娄白）嘿嘿！嘿嘿！先生，好哉、好哉嘿嘿，测字先生走走江湖，俺这里娄阿鼠赌场里跑跑，搭倷自家人。（况白）嘿。（娄白）倷介套江湖诀弗要用，哈哈，倷来用江湖诀阿是？嘿嘿！倷是测字先生啊，啥介连人家偷物事侬也测得出？我实头弗相信，弗相信。
（况白）请坐，请坐。老兄，老鼠善于偷窃，所以我这样断的。（娄白）噢，赛过老鼠欢喜偷东摸西，所以倷直梗断？（况白）可是么？（娄白）嘿嘿，对，划一，老鼠阿是欢喜偷东摸西介？倷倒想得出介，哈哈哈。（况白）还有一说。（娄白）还有那说？（况白）那家人家，（阿鼠大惊，跌倒在地）（娄白）可是姓尤？唉！唉唷！。唉唷！（况白）小心了！（娄白）唉唷先生，搭倷说勿要用江湖诀，倷又来浪用江湖诀哉呀，倷又来介哉江湖诀，嘿，啥物事啊，索性好哉，倷测字先生连得别人家的姓也测子出来介哉。先生，我弗相信，我弗相信介。（况自）老兄，你可晓得？（娄白）晓得点啥？（况白）老鼠最喜是偷油（娄白）对介，划一，老鼠阿是最欢喜偷油，有直梗说介“偷油老鼠，偷油老鼠”。（况白）偷油老鼠。（娄白）嘿嘿，偷油老鼠，划一，先生，倷也弗要管伊盐也罢，油也罢，倷替我往后去看阿有啥介是非口舌，要连累得着？（况白）哎唷！怎说连累不着？（娄白）吓，连累得着介？（况白）目下就要败露了。（娄白）哎唷！败露是败露弗得介呀！（况白）喏，你问鼠字，目下正交子月，乃当令之时，只怕这官司就要明白了。（娄白）啊呀！明白是明白弗得介呀！（况白）我问你，你是自家测的，还是为人家测的？你与我说得清，我与你指引得明。（娄白）嗬嗬，先生，倷等一歇，倷等一歇。（唱鬼曲）哎唷！他那里吓，俺这里吓。（白）先生，我是代别人家测介呀。（况白）喏，四海之内皆朋友也，你有什么危难之事，不仿实对我说明，我为你分忧呀。（娄白）真介？先生，自家测介。（况白）啊，自测？（娄白）轻点，轻点呀！（况白）你若是自测，本身就不落空了。（娄白）哪哼说？哪说本身不落空？（况白）喏，空字头加一鼠字，岂不是一个窜？（娄白）先生，啥介穿？（况白）逃窜的窜。（娄白）啊，逃窜之窜？先生，啊窜得出介？（况白）怎说窜不出？（娄白）噢！倒逃窜得出介？（况白）老鼠生性多疑，东猜西想，疑神疑鬼，要弄得不上不下，进退两难，到那时候就窜不出了。（娄白）噢！先生，倷介神数，啥能介灵呀，我平常日脚，是有点疑神疑鬼介呀。唉！现在介神数说，赛过老鼠生性多疑，要是疑神疑鬼就窜不出去？（况白）是呀。（娄白）哎唷，好先生，我听子倷介神数，已经相信得非非凡凡介哩。（况白）老兄，真个要走？（娄白）真个要走！（况白）真个是要走，到了明日就走不脱了。（娄白）哎唷，那哼讲？到了明朝就走不脱？（况白）鼠字头是个臼字，乃是两个半日之意，合并一日，今日走是一日，到明日就走不脱了。（娄白）噢！赛过到了明早，隔着两日就走弗脱了？哎唷，好先生，倷看呀天要夜下来哉，我走到罗里搭去呀？（况白）鼠乃昼伏夜行之物，连夜逃走，那是最妙的了。（娄白）噢！老鼠是夜里出世介，连夜走极好哉。（况白）是呀！（娄白）介末先生，倷搭我看看往罗里介方向好？（况白）好，待我与你算算看。（娄白）费心，费心！（况白）好说，好说。鼠属巽，巽属东，往东南方去的好。（娄白）噢！但望东南方，好先生，有心把细点。还是走水路太平，还是走陆路无事呀！（况白）好，待我再与你算算看。（娄白）哎唷，拜托，拜托好先生！（况白）好说，好说。鼠属子，子属水，还是水路上去的好。（娄白）噢！水路上，东南方水路上，介搭来里无锡，过去是望亭、关上、苏州……（况白）嘉兴。（娄白）走嘉兴？（况白）杭州。（娄白）到杭州？（况白）杭州是个好地方。（娄白）唔，哎唷，好是好介呀，但是天呀夜哉摇得过来，让我扑托跳得过去，哼里。（况白）老兄，你真个要走？（娄白）真的要走呀！（况白）老汉有只便船，我正要赶到苏杭两处，赶趁新年生意。（娄白）哎。（况白）只是……！（娄白）啊！我多搞落点船钱好哉。（况白）哎，钱财如粪土，仁义值千金，你若不嫌我船走得太慢，老汉与你同舟如何？（娄白）啥物事呀？趁倷先生介船，搭倷一道走呀？（况白）是呀。（娄白）真介？哎唷，哈哈，倷勿是测字先生介哉，倷呀，直头叫是我娄阿鼠介救命王菩萨到哉。好先生，我娄阿鼠这条性命要交托拨侬介哉呀。（况白）在我身上，（娄唱姐姐入泼掉）我好比鱼儿漏网，急匆匆逃入海洋。（况唱）愿只愿遇难呈祥，从今后稳步康庄。（娄唱）向天涯，高飞远翔。（白）先生，倷只船停来罗里呀？（况白）就在前面河下。（娄白）噢！先生，我现在就住喇浪对河伊间草屋里向。这是趁船钱，这是起数钱……让我转去拿一条单被就来。（况白）就来。（娄白）就来，就来。（况白）我在船上等你，就来，就来。（阿鼠下，差役上）来！快快追上前去。（差白）是。（况白）你快回到城中，带领差役，邀集街坊，速到娄阿鼠家中查抄，若有可疑物件，连夜带回苏州，不得有误。（差白）是（况白）快去，去。

Xiaoping Fu
Canada
Local time: 13:19
Native speaker of: Native in ChineseChinese

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Donglai Lou (X)
26 mins
agree  Chinoise: Very informative!
57 mins
  -> 谢谢！
agree  Lu Zou: 完全赞同！
1 hr
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agree  Edward LIU
4 hrs
agree  Denyce Seow: 看得我眼都花了.....但确实精彩!! **鼓掌**
5 hrs
  -> 很高兴你也喜欢！
neutral  chica nueva: I suppose the asker can understand this??? If not, what is the point?
5 hrs
  -> 我想，提问者得到了他(或她)需要的。至于一些额外的知识和资料，对他(她)或许有帮助。即使他(她)还不能理解懂，也没什么坏处。其他人也许可以从中获益。我觉得KudoZ 不仅仅是为提问者的，而是为全体参与者的。That is the POINT!!!
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11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Glyphomancy


Explanation:
测字

Ray Luo
United Kingdom
Local time: 21:19
Native speaker of: Native in ChineseChinese
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