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as a separate people

English translation: as a unique, isolated people

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English term or phrase:as a separate people
Selected answer:as a unique, isolated people
Entered by: Ana Juliá

13:43 Mar 29, 2005
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Art/Literary - Religion / 19th century text
English term or phrase: as a separate people
The predictions of judgments on cities and nations have come to pass, though at the time they were first spoken they seemed incredible. Egypt is the basest of kingdoms; Edom is a wilderness; Tyre is a rock for drying nets; Nineveh, that "exceeding great city," is laid waste, and become a desolation; Babylon is a dry land and a wilderness--her broad walls are utterly broken down; the Jews are scattered over the whole earth ***as a separate people***. In all these cases the Word of God foretold that it should be so. And so it was.

This is a text written by JC Ryle.
Ana Juliá
Spain
Local time: 05:55
a unique, isolated people
Explanation:
The Jews are a unique people, unlike any other; and a seperate one, isolated from all others.

They may be "scattered" as well, but that's not what "seperate" means here.

(And it is "seperate", not "seperated".)

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Note added at 1 hr 10 mins (2005-03-29 14:53:58 GMT)
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Ummmmm.... best make that \"separate\", in all the above instances, guys.

Thanks, Amy, for the correction.

I *hate* it when that happens.

Especially when someone else sees it.
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Christopher Crockett
Local time: 23:55
Grading comment
Thank you!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED
5 +12a unique, isolated people
Christopher Crockett
4 +2as a separated people
Britta Anion (X)
5they have their own laws and customs, and are not obligated to follow the customs of other peoples
Charlesp
4as a set apart people
humbird
3chosen people (of God)/people of the book
Mihaela Brooks


Discussion entries: 1





  

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6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
as a separated people


Explanation:
I also think that this is used in the sense of "scattered", in other words separated from each other. That's why I would use the phrase above

Britta Anion (X)
Local time: 05:55
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Monika Rozwarzewska
16 mins
  -> Thanks
agree  Dina Abdo
39 mins
  -> Thanks
disagree  Ian M-H (X): I don't see any reason here to suspect that "separated" was intended rather than "separate".
45 mins
  -> Every people is a separate people as such, but each people can still be together and not scattered all over the world. They are not together anymore - a Jewish state does still up to date have problems with being accepted by all the rest of the world.
agree  Bin Zhang
15 hrs
  -> Thanks
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
they have their own laws and customs, and are not obligated to follow the customs of other peoples


Explanation:
(note the use of the word "peoples" here, referring a nation.
The Jewish people have their laws and traditions and customs, and continue to adhere to them, whereever they may be. That doesn't mean that individual Jewish persons have the unlimited right to ignore the laws of the country in which they live or find themselves; quite to the contrary. There is the rule that "the law of the land is the law."

Charlesp
Sweden
Local time: 05:55
Native speaker of: English
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12 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +12
a unique, isolated people


Explanation:
The Jews are a unique people, unlike any other; and a seperate one, isolated from all others.

They may be "scattered" as well, but that's not what "seperate" means here.

(And it is "seperate", not "seperated".)

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Note added at 1 hr 10 mins (2005-03-29 14:53:58 GMT)
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Ummmmm.... best make that \"separate\", in all the above instances, guys.

Thanks, Amy, for the correction.

I *hate* it when that happens.

Especially when someone else sees it.


Christopher Crockett
Local time: 23:55
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16
Grading comment
Thank you!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  French Foodie
2 mins
  -> Thanks, Marla.
agree  Shane London: Yes. This is how I understand it
3 mins
  -> Thanks, Shane.
agree  mstkwasa: Absolutely.
8 mins
  -> Thanks, mstk.
agree  Elizabeth Rudin: A "separate people", "singled out", as stated in 1 Kings 8:53: "For thou didst separate them from among all the people of the earth, to be thine inheritance, as thou spakest by the hand of Moses thy servant..."
14 mins
  -> Well, there's Scripture for us. I don't recall ever having that kind of Authority behind one of my Kudoz answers before. Thanks, Elisabeth.
agree  MPGS: :) ... :)
22 mins
  -> Thanks, MPGS. }%-{|>
agree  Ian M-H (X): With Elizabeth
39 mins
  -> In good company. Thanks, Ian.
agree  awilliams: "separate", not "seperate".//sorry to be such a bore!
45 mins
  -> Ayyyyyee! I *hate* it when that happens. Well, at least I didn't make that insignificant mistake more than four times, twice when correcting someone else. Thanks, Amy. (I think)
agree  Johan Venter: People being "inhabitants of a particular race religion or culture; citizens of a nation " in this case.
1 hr
  -> Thanks, venter.
agree  Robert Donahue (X)
3 hrs
  -> Thanks, Robert.
agree  Can Altinbay
6 hrs
  -> Thanks, Can.
agree  Ken Cox: One more voice in the chorus, and maybe the mnenomic I was taught in grade school will help you with the spelling: 'separate is a rat'.
7 hrs
  -> All singing in tune, apparently. My orthography will remain challenged despite your help, I'm afraid. Thanks anyway, Kenneth.
agree  Saleh Chowdhury, Ph.D.
17 hrs
  -> Thanks, Saleh.
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
chosen people (of God)/people of the book


Explanation:
no comment on context


    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites#Israelites_in_Biblic...
Mihaela Brooks
Canada
Local time: 23:55
Native speaker of: Native in RomanianRomanian
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14 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
as a set apart people


Explanation:
I agree with Terence. Jew wer separated from each other, and scattered all over the world -- untill the establishment of modern Israel. They are so apart from each other that some of their original twelve tribes are lost.


    Reference: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sep...
humbird
Native speaker of: Native in JapaneseJapanese, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Christopher Crockett: All true, but the text here does not say "a separated people", so we must follow the clear English meaning, rather than projecting something else onto it.
9 hrs
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