севрюк

English translation: locals

07:55 Dec 16, 2004

Russian to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - History

Russian term or phrase: севрюк

...среди решений о реорганизации сторожевой и станичной службы...было постановление "О путивльских севрюках", которые этим документом отстранялись от службы. В сторожи и станицы впредь можно было посылать только служилых людей, но никак не наёмников...
(I've got just a couple more of these, I promise.)

John Scigliano KudoZ activity Questions: 30 (none open) (1 without valid answers) Answers: 24
Local time: 04:10

English translation:locals

Explanation:
Вот, нашёл определение:
**севрюки — служилые люди станичной службы на степной окраине Руси (Даль)** Однако, в доступном мне словаре Даля такого значения нет.

Исходя из других источников, можно считать, что это представители тюркских народов Дона, один из этносов, позднее ставший частью казачества. Поэтому всё зависит от того, о каком времени идёт речь. Видимо, в течение долгого времени севрюки несли ту же службу, что и казаки, однако к казакам не относились.
Информация есть, но она не однозначна. Возможно, есть смысл проверить и украинские источники.
**О севрюках пишет Л.Н.Гумилев: "Северные савиры ославянились по языку, но долгое время боролись с россами и антами, а потом с их царством Московским. В XVII в. они еще сохраняли свой древний этноним "севрюки". Под этим именем они пополняли войска Болотникова".**
http://www.fstanitsa.ru/his_bariev1_5.shtml
Позднее, "Севрюками называли украинцев, живших в пределах Чернигово-Северской земли. Говоря о мужиках-севрюках, московское правительство имело в виду низший слой местного населения."
http://subscribe.ru/archive/history.worldhist/200403/0910044...
Как перевести, не знаю. Только описательно, наверное. Предлагайте.
M.b. Local cossacks

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Dmitry Kozlov
Local time: 11:10

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севрюк

locals

Dmitry Kozlov
Local time: 11:10
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Larissa Dinsley: Жители Северской Украины: "i naemnye zhiteli Severskoj Ukrajny, ili ***sevryuki***" (www2.eunet.lv/library/lat/ HISTORY/SOLOVIEV/solv7.txt)

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-> Спасибо. Очень интересная ссылка. Так, пожалуй, проще всего сказать, чтобы не уходить в этническо-исторические дебри.

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Deborah Hoffman: severiuki - with a parenthetical note, perhaps "a Turkish tribe later absorbed into the Cossacks" P.S. Thanks for the feedback below - I don't know what made me write Turkish as I know the difference mentally. Hope you get an answer you can use! Deborah

22 hrs

-> Thanks, this can be the way. However, Turkic is not exactly Turkish. It's a very long and complicated story of Russian and Ukranian origins. Besides, the ethnic emphasis may not be the one required by context.

2 days 18 hrs confidence:

севрюк Sabirs

Explanation:
Or perhaps "Northern Sabirs" per the quote from Gumilev above.

Here is some information about the people alternately known as Sabar, Sabir, and Savir in English.

http://www.ozturkler.com/data_english/0001/0001_105_01.htm

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Also:

http://www.kulanu.org/turkmenistan/jturk.html
\"The Khazar ruling dynasty was ethnically and culturally descended from the classical Ashena, or original Turkic dynasty through the Altay-Siberian Turkuts, the Oghuz from the Afrasiab, and an early alliance between the Khazars and the Sabirs, who also originated in Altay.\"

http://www.voyagenow.com/travel-references/en/wikipedia/a/av...
\"In the mid 5th C., Priskos Rhetor was the first to deal with the Avar tribe which existed in the West Siberian region supporting the theory of origin from the Balkhash region which is further supported by the Chinese records concerning them (see Hua). According to his account, the Avar-Huns forced the Sabirs out of this land and over the Volga around 461-3CE because \"a fog rose from the sea scaring people\" and this was followed by countless \"vultures descending upon the people\".\"

Deborah Hoffman
Local time: 04:10
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Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8

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